Blessed times

I strongly believe we live in these times, or at least my country.
Economy is going upwards slowly, but steady.
There are issues, ofc, like politics and in general some internal affairs which sadden us, but overall, I believe we live the BLESSED TIMES.

Express your opinion on why or y not there is this kind of times in your country, or in world in general.
Cheers!

I don't even wanna ruin it for you. I'm glad your having a good time. Even if a disagree we as humans seem to get cought up in way to much bullshit and forget to enjoy the experiences life offers, so good on you and good luck in your future endeavors.

Blessed times being lived in your country because you've benefited with european funds and markets

Well it's okay here, nothing amazing though

Geschreven door Al Fappino, 29.06.2017 at 10:44

Blessed times being lived in your country because you've benefited with european funds and markets

Actually your country too. You just got there a bit late; boom was in 1990s.

Geschreven door Columna Durruti, 29.06.2017 at 22:02

Geschreven door Al Fappino, 29.06.2017 at 10:44

Blessed times being lived in your country because you've benefited with european funds and markets

Actually your country too. You just got there a bit late; boom was in 1990s.

Geschreven door Ghostface, 29.06.2017 at 22:21

speak for yourself , before you got into the EU your countries economy was as shit as one of the small balkan states you look down on and it was in free fall before 1986

Actually we experienced an economic boom from 1958 to 1973 (when the great oil shock took place and the european economies nearly crashed) despite the Colonial War (which led to a the economic growth to slow a bit but the economy still growing), and then from 1974 until 1982 with the new democratic governments our economy experienced a downfall and then in 1986 all the way to 2004 (with interruptions) when the eastern countries joined in and we got less funds. So it wasn't all due to european funds but most of it yes.

Geschreven door Columna Durruti, 29.06.2017 at 22:02

Geschreven door Al Fappino, 29.06.2017 at 10:44

Blessed times being lived in your country because you've benefited with european funds and markets

Actually your country too. You just got there a bit late; boom was in 1990s.

Ah, the good old boom of the 90's when half of European economic output was consumed by newly capitalist Eastern Bloc and Russia craving for western light industrial products.

Geschreven door Skanderbeg, 30.06.2017 at 06:59

Geschreven door Columna Durruti, 29.06.2017 at 22:02

Geschreven door Al Fappino, 29.06.2017 at 10:44

Blessed times being lived in your country because you've benefited with european funds and markets

Actually your country too. You just got there a bit late; boom was in 1990s.

Ah, the good old boom of the 90's when half of European economic output was consumed by newly capitalist Eastern Bloc and Russia craving for western light industrial products.

True, we basically dumped our exports on them kek, but southern european countries suffered because of the competition of the high-skilled and low-salary characteristics of the Romanians and Ukrainians, which made them quite a cheap labour force, used in Services and even Construction

Not for me. Since 2002 Turkey is cursed with Erdogan

Geschreven door Metyu, 30.06.2017 at 10:33

Not for me. Since 2002 Turkey is cursed with Erdogan

Why not? Your GDP doubled, you have 15 million more population, you became regional power, you became relevant medium-sized country in the global arena.

Geschreven door Skanderbeg, 30.06.2017 at 13:57

Geschreven door Metyu, 30.06.2017 at 10:33

Not for me. Since 2002 Turkey is cursed with Erdogan

Why not? Your GDP doubled, you have 15 million more population, you became regional power, you became relevant medium-sized country in the global arena.

We have been regional power since 1923
Our gdp doubled. Its true but everything become expensive more than before so it change nothing.

15 million more pop did Erdoğan born them ?
what a stupid example.

He is making the country a Islamic Dictatorship that's why I hate him. He is closing down good schools or not giving them good fund (I mean Fen Highschools). And what is he making Islamic Religion shools dude we need technology we don't need more Imam.

Unemployment and inflation are growing too

He made corruption and nobody care it too...

Btw He let 2m Syrian enter to Turkey...

Geschreven door Metyu, 30.06.2017 at 15:52

we need technology we don't need more Imam.

Thank you. Thank you for having a working brain, i wish more people were like you.

Geschreven door Metyu, 30.06.2017 at 15:52

We have been regional power since 1923

Not really, in that time Turkey was just big weak country. No disrespect.

Any great power could influence it, and do with it whatever they want. Unlike today.

Geschreven door Metyu, 30.06.2017 at 15:52

Our gdp doubled. Its true but everything become expensive more than before so it change nothing.

That is partly true. It is expensive because of globalization, happens everywhere around the globe. Companies make same prices because they don't care for peoples' purchasing power anymore, and States/Governments ignore that.

But salaries are way up comparing to since 2002 (year you used).

Not to mention military spending and expansion, new factories and companies producing indigenous weapon for Turkish Army.

Geschreven door Metyu, 30.06.2017 at 15:52

15 million more pop did Erdoğan born them ?
what a stupid example.

What does Erdogan have to do with it? It is a fact Turkish population grow, i don't know why you talk about Erdogan here. Erdogan is neither credited for baby boom and neither for prices going up.

Geschreven door Metyu, 30.06.2017 at 15:52

He is making the country a Islamic Dictatorship that's why I hate him. He is closing down good schools or not giving them good fund (I mean Fen Highschools). And what is he making Islamic Religion shools dude we need technology we don't need more Imam.

Country need both technology and religion. Your society can collapse if you reject religion.

Geschreven door Metyu, 30.06.2017 at 15:52

Unemployment and inflation are growing too

He made corruption and nobody care it too...

Unemployment and inflation is global problem also, it's because companies take jobs off-shore.

If he's corrupted, then he should be charged, but it is true that many people are passive and don't care(as you mentioned).

Geschreven door Metyu, 30.06.2017 at 15:52

Btw He let 2m Syrian enter to Turkey...

He couldn't do otherwise. If he did, he would be declared nazi and Turkey would be demonized as inhumane. It was a right thing to do to accept refugees.

Geschreven door Skanderbeg, 30.06.2017 at 17:36

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What he's referring to Tito is that the AKP is becoming much more islamist and allowing religion to have a much more potent effect on politics. For instance, there was a bill proposed (rejected though) that would allow child rapist to be freed if they married their victim

While religion might be a good ciivl society force, the state is becoming much more Islamized. As mentioned above, public schools (secular as public schools should be) are being closed to fund more religious schools and institutions. Minority groups (from gays to Kurds) are being sidelined and harassed or killed by the state. Erdogan is becoming much more of a sultan and I don't think this bolds well for Turkey.

Geschreven door Pheonixking929, 30.06.2017 at 17:46

Geschreven door Skanderbeg, 30.06.2017 at 17:36

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What he's referring to Tito is that the AKP is becoming much more islamist and allowing religion to have a much more potent effect on politics. For instance, there was a bill proposed (rejected though) that would allow child rapist to be freed if they married their victim

While religion might be a good ciivl society force, the state is becoming much more Islamized. As mentioned above, public schools (secular as public schools should be) are being closed to fund more religious schools and institutions. Minority groups (from gays to Kurds) are being sidelined and harassed or killed by the state. Erdogan is becoming much more of a sultan and I don't think this bolds well for Turkey.

1. We have to be realistic here, no matter how strong Erdogan wishes for islamized Turkey, that ain't gonna happen. Turks can now only believe in Allah and declare themselves as muslims, but they won't rape-then-marry or have honor killings. Some things simply can't return. You can close all secular schools and open 10,000 wahabbi/salafi schools, it won't change a thing. So you don't have to be afraid about that.

2. Turkish-Kurdish conflict lasts for 50 years, it is not Erdogan's creation. And comparing current conflict with one from 20 years ago, we can say front is peaceful(unlike the butchery there was 20 years ago).

Just want to say let's not label one man with mistakes others did in the past or present times. We have to be objective and reasonable. For now, he have only corruption accusations, which are probably true since his son and relatives drive beasts and have high positions in the country. That's enough to put him in jail, but not enough to say he brought the country down to its knees.

Geschreven door Skanderbeg, 30.06.2017 at 18:02

1. We have to be realistic here, no matter how strong Erdogan wishes for islamized Turkey, that ain't gonna happen. Turks can now only believe in Allah and declare themselves as muslims, but they won't rape-then-marry or have honor killings. Some things simply can't return. You can close all secular schools and open 10,000 wahabbi/salafi schools, it won't change a thing. So you don't have to be afraid about that.

2. Turkish-Kurdish conflict lasts for 50 years, it is not Erdogan's creation. And comparing current conflict with one from 20 years ago, we can say front is peaceful(unlike the butchery there was 20 years ago).

Just want to say let's not label one man with mistakes others did in the past or present times. We have to be objective and reasonable. For now, he have only corruption accusations, which are probably true since his son and relatives drive beasts and have high positions in the country. That's enough to put him in jail, but not enough to say he brought the country down to its knees.

I will try to address both points:

1. I don't think it is so much a matter of the majority all of a sudden becoming Wahhabi jihadist, it's more about allowing religion (and only one religious sect in particular) accumulating power. Furthermore, opening (in your example) thousands of wahabbi/salafist schools (or in Erdogans turkey, changing the school curriculum to expose Sunni Islam and Turkish nationalism or funding more religious institutions over secular ones) does have an effect- these are the schools and mosque that produce Imans. These Imans will then expout these (I would call) dangerous ideas like jihad and suicide bombing is good, woman are second-class citizens, Shiites are infidels, etc. It has an effect on those groups of people who already hold these beliefs or are easily radicalized who then take these ideas and try to push them through through violence.

Erdogans education changes eocurage (according too Egitim-Sen, a teachers' union) a "religious and nationalist" mindset focusing on "Turkishness" and Sunni Islam. I am fine with people being patriotic of their nation, but my concern is these changes are mixing religion and poitics, mixing a strict religious beliefs with extreme nationalism (while at the same time cutting material about Ataturk and his successor, Islet Inönü, both well known secularist). I worry this will be similar to Japans changes in their schools curriculum that led to a much more devout but also fiercely nationalist populace leading to global war.

The point about Islamizing Turkey is also the sidelining of every other religious and non-religious group. Turkey was founded as a secularist nation, one that is suppose to represent all people of all faiths. Instead, Erdogan is trying to get his base Sunni vote to continue supporting him and this is going to cause further sectarian rifts in his country.


2. The Kurdish conflict has been a long conflict, you are correct in that. I think it is also worth pointing out that Erdogan use to be a centrist who liberals and conservatives could unite behind. He even courted the Kurdish vote early on. He planned on having their support when his powers were expanded from the referendum (Erdogan would have more power and the Kurds would then get more autonomy since Erdogan has more power). Now that they have fallen out, Erdogan is not just inciting sectarian troubles at home, he is also causing problems in Syria by attacking Kurdish forces who are also battling ISIS. Remember, Erdogan allowed fighters to pour across his border into Syria causing further strife in that region. The YPG expanded and shut down those borers so groups, like ISIS, no longer saw large numbers of foreign fighters bolstering their ranks. Erdogan was prepared to let these Kurdish groups die at places, like Kobani, than help fight ISIS.



Erdogan is increasingly centering the state around himself. He is courted nationalist and religious votes to allow him to do whatever he wants without accountability (he built himself an 1,100 room palace that cost half a billion dollars). He has tried on numerous occasions to change and control education. He proposed that high school students be required to take Ottoman-Turkish classes, a language only known or used by (some) historians, linguist, and clerics. Not only that but up to 40,000 pupils were enrolled in state-run religious institutions, called imam-hatip schools, whether parents liked it or not (they took to the streets to protest).

Erdogan is making himself more powerful and ignoring minorities. Corruption will increase (as it always does when one party/group monopolizes power). The state will either collapse under his corruption, or when he dies, be thrown into chaos as no successor will have as much influence to maintain control of the country (ie. Maduro in Venezuela). Turkey use to be a model of democracy in a Muslim-majority country. Use to be.

Geschreven door Skanderbeg, 30.06.2017 at 18:02

Geschreven door Pheonixking929, 30.06.2017 at 17:46

Geschreven door Skanderbeg, 30.06.2017 at 17:36

Tito, please go on with the discussion about Turkey, but could you say a few words about the situation in your country too?

Geschreven door Guest, 01.07.2017 at 00:10

Tito, please go on with the discussion about Turkey, but could you say a few words about the situation in your country too?

Short-term: chaos, long-term: blessed times.

Public spending reduced to minimum while still preserving safety net, pensions are up, wages are average, inflation under control, military reformed, nukes reduced and more powerful/accurate, infrastructure revitalized, trade agreements signed with most countries, all industries are currently developing equally. Everyone who disliked situation left and all who love it settled thus reducing tensions. There are no more state companies where workers can leisure and be undisciplined. Space agency is decently yet low funded and keeping steady pace of exploring and traveling to space.

Petty corruption is a big problem, like police officers, doctors, teachers, beaurocrats, private companies employ workers without giving them papers so State does not have evidence for their future pension, State lose alot of money because many private companies do not pay taxes, female workers being sexually blackmailed and no clear law regulation about that, police force is undereducated and undertrained, many people still didn't develop driving conscience and culture, private companies construct buildings whereever they want without askig for State approval. Teachers don't educate children properly, while private schools are expensive and thus available only for rich kids who still don't learn anything there just pay for diploma.



I don't like US foreign policy, but i like American hierarchy, and i know Russia will end up like that. High gdp, gated communities, ghettos for poor, decent wages and hyperconsumerism. The only difference will be Russian corporations won't have power in politics, because Russian people developed animosity towards it during Soviet times, therefore State will always keep corporations in check, like Germany do.

Geschreven door Pheonixking929, 30.06.2017 at 18:41

Geschreven door Skanderbeg, 30.06.2017 at 18:02

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Firstly He is İsmet İnönü not İslet

Secondly Kurds are still attacking Turkey also PYD/PKK is same thing so we are doing true thing about Turkey with attacking Syria's north.
We tried peace with them like Colombia but they made the eastern cities warzone so you can't trust them.
Supporting PYD = Supporting PKK which is in USA's terror list for years
Also Look at these Kurd attacks