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Anarchy is no people having control over anyone else:

great idea, unleashed.
btw, what about the topic, need to call a mod

Geschreven door Tirpitz406, 13.07.2014 at 11:01

Anarchy is no people having control over anyone else:

great idea, unleashed.
btw, what about the topic, need to call a mod

Somalia

Government: Federal parliamentary republic
- President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud
- Prime Minister Abdiweli Sheikh Ahmed


If anything, Somalia is the result of monkeys having political power. So check it out before you use a false meme you idiot. I can't even take you seriously, ever.

Geschreven door Your Unleashed, 14.07.2014 at 10:10

Somalia

Government: Federal parliamentary republic
- President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud
- Prime Minister Abdiweli Sheikh Ahmed


If anything, Somalia is the result of monkeys having political power. So check it out before you use a false meme you idiot. I can't even take you seriously, ever.

somalia is made a bad place by the lack of a governement for ~20 years, not by having one for 4 years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Republic_of_Somalia#Somali_Civil_War
15 years civil war when there was no real governement, only people having unlimited power over a small part of the somalian people.
a good governement must have power over it's people, otherwise small groups begin to form, and taking over control, becoming a bigger thread to the people than the governement if it had more power.
on the other hand of course, no governement should have too much power ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Congo )

EDIT: and of course, the somalian governement you are talking about has nearly no power over the biggest part of the country, the small groups of people routing and killing just form themselves

The government is worse. Way worse.
With government, you have the illusion of freedom. Nobody is pointing a gun to your head and telling you to pay income taxes or that you have to obey petty bull %@#$ laws. But you do anyway. Why? Because they control you. They own you. They own and mass produce your food, your clothing, and even your money. They hold your life, the government does. And by extension, it's really snobby rich people who own you. Why? Because they own the industries that matter. They own the politicians who matter. Everything important, particularly in the United States, is owned by rich kids :3 Every 10 year our rights are getting shorter and shorter as the media cooks up some new hysteria that justifies the rape of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

So kiss my ass with your stupid argument of a lack of government making things bad. Government makes it worse. Government trains and hardens soldiers to the point that if you mess with their profit or their power, they'll turn them inward.

Somalian pirates aren't trained. You CAN fight them back. Somalian pirates don't have the money or power to stop uprisings.

The difference is that Somalian pirates don't give you an illusion. They outright demonstrate what happens if you disobey.
The Government, however, just waits for you to cross the line. They are silently waiting for you to challenge them and then they still top you dead in your tracks.

Anarchy for the win.

Geschreven door Dr Lecter, 17.07.2014 at 12:19

The government is worse. Way worse.
With government, you have the illusion of freedom. Nobody is pointing a gun to your head and telling you to pay income taxes or that you have to obey petty bull %@#$ laws. But you do anyway. Why? Because they control you. They own you. They own and mass produce your food, your clothing, and even your money. They hold your life, the government does. And by extension, it's really snobby rich people who own you. Why? Because they own the industries that matter. They own the politicians who matter. Everything important, particularly in the United States, is owned by rich kids :3 Every 10 year our rights are getting shorter and shorter as the media cooks up some new hysteria that justifies the rape of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

So kiss my ass with your stupid argument of a lack of government making things bad. Government makes it worse. Government trains and hardens soldiers to the point that if you mess with their profit or their power, they'll turn them inward.

Somalian pirates aren't trained. You CAN fight them back. Somalian pirates don't have the money or power to stop uprisings.

The difference is that Somalian pirates don't give you an illusion. They outright demonstrate what happens if you disobey.
The Government, however, just waits for you to cross the line. They are silently waiting for you to challenge them and then they still top you dead in your tracks.

Anarchy for the win.

illusion of freedom...first i dont live in your bancrupt, corrupt and weapon flooded USA. Germany the governement works the same, but in a way less corrupt way.
second, we dont have an illusion of freedom, you have freedom, you are allowed to go anywhere you want (except north kora obviously) so, if you want, go to Somalia, and see if its better there, go ahead. but you dont go to a country where the governement regulates everything, why dont you? i assume its because you choose to live in a country that you think, controls you. Next, you arent controlled, as i saied before, they let you go. People were totally controled in the DDR, where you couldnt leave, in your country you even have the "freedom" to legally buy a weapon and kill someone. The state doesnt control you, he only controls you if you choose to live in that state, and then he only controls you as much as you choose to be controlled by working hard and paying taxes.

on your second argument, you say that an governement that creates an illusion is worse than somalian warlords fighting eachother to the death and living in their country where you can get killed every day, worse than palestine. Even in the USA what happens if you disobey is way less than in somalia or any other area not controlled, like in Darfur.

at the end of the day having food produced by companies, controled by the state is better than having no food and no state and no companies who could produce it.

do you really prefer having no illusion that doesnt exist and no food plus war in your country over having an illusion that doesnt exist?

There IS a delusion.
The world and all governments are doing the exact same thing in different ways. You have the illusion of freedom.
I'm not saying I don't like living in America. The fact is, it's convenient. It's convenient to live somewhere where they spoon feed you poison that will let you live long enough to generate more income and perform more labor for rich, white, fat cats.

My argument was that this is worse. Somalian warlords and thugs can be fought. Uncle Sam? You can't fight Uncle Sam. The US of fucking A has it's long dick in all of the peoples' ass. In addition, other countries do the same and don't you dare think yours is any better. Yours might be more capable of deluding you. People are assholes all across this big rock, and they give rise to bigger assholes who control what we eat, what we drink, what we see, and - albeit inadvertently - what we do.

If you might want to come to some common ground in this, it could be said that there might not be a difference between crime syndicates and government. They both take your life, they both take your values, and they both stop you from doing what you really want.

Otherwise, we can just end this at a difference of opinion.

Geschreven door Dr Lecter, 18.07.2014 at 12:11

There IS a delusion.
The world and all governments are doing the exact same thing in different ways. You have the illusion of freedom.
I'm not saying I don't like living in America. The fact is, it's convenient. It's convenient to live somewhere where they spoon feed you poison that will let you live long enough to generate more income and perform more labor for rich, white, fat cats.

My argument was that this is worse. Somalian warlords and thugs can be fought. Uncle Sam? You can't fight Uncle Sam. The US of fucking A has it's long dick in all of the peoples' ass. In addition, other countries do the same and don't you dare think yours is any better. Yours might be more capable of deluding you. People are assholes all across this big rock, and they give rise to bigger assholes who control what we eat, what we drink, what we see, and - albeit inadvertently - what we do.

If you might want to come to some common ground in this, it could be said that there might not be a difference between crime syndicates and government. They both take your life, they both take your values, and they both stop you from doing what you really want.

Otherwise, we can just end this at a difference of opinion.

hehe...

i think we came to the conclusion that living without freedom, being lazy is better than living with freedom but while working hard.
You can get the freedom you want, its no problem, just move to alaska, siberia, Mongolia, Argentinia or Australia, build yourself an home and live on your own. Thats the freedom you want, you can feed yourself and live without anything regulating you or limiting your freedom (in some countrys you still have to pay taxes, but these suck)

And you different than Unleashed made me rethink anachism, in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Spain it worked pretty well, but the problem is, that always someone could come and kill this utopia, thats how catalonias anarchism ended.

so i think it would have to be global, and nobody should be abled to control anything. On the other hand it would kil things like space programs, as these obviously cant make their own money. so i guess we would need to control it, and try it out in a small area first, look what effect it would have on schools, highways, national parks and sience. All the things our states pay for atm. They needed to be made from people who just want to make them and get food for it...hard to tell how it would work...

back to what you say, yes, the governement is a crime syndicate, that gives you the possibility to become rich if you have a lot of luck, the few differences are that the governement gives you the possibility of going to holidays, and doesnt kill you if you dont pay your taxes, just puts you in jail...

and no, i dont want to end this discussion yet, its a lot more fun to debate without insulting eachother like between me and leashed.

I like debating, but there are few places we can come to here. I like what you said, it proves you're open minded enough to see that it isn't all nutters. That's enough for me to say common ground, of sorts.

On the footnote of space programs and national parks and science... I would say that these programs MIGHT be funded even further.
I suppose that scientific centers could allow you to subscribe to them. So for example, in two different cities you have different science programs. One has better scientists, more pay, but turns out less practical product. The other is smaller with under payed scientists, however, it turns out very practical revolutions, innovations, materials, etc for societal use. Businesses and people would subscribe to these two in their (or neighboring) cities depending on their desires.

It's still possible, except now it would be private parties paying for their product. It's not too bad, but it's not good good either.

My argument to anarchy would be the lack of equality on part of a more global scale.
One community might have better education than another. The only solution to this would be to create an organization dedicated to supplying all schools across all communities with proper materials, etc. However, I question the efficiency of this. If people are vastly unequal, one group may attempt (through violence) to control another.

What the hell... This post wasnt supposed to have some Anarchism rage lmao