Realism in WWII

Hey guys. I was thinking a bit, and came up with the idea that WWII map-makers should employ a new strategy when it comes to axis powers. For instance, it is well known that Germany started to fail in Russia because of long logistical supply lines, correct? We could try to simulate this same effect with making German units have a large quantity of collateral damage, something that often took place in WWII, so that building units in occupied territories is more difficult(not to say to make the collateral so huge that it makes it impossible for the player), and really showcases the tough efforts one would need to play as a major area in those games. It doesn't have to be just limited to these games; often, unless the population feels they NEED to be occupied and "liberated"(and even then the military men are still poor in quality compared to real, trained men), occupiers send troops they have from their home country or empire rather than build on occupied territories.

It was multiple reasons really, Russians got really patriotic so many more divisions were recuited and a lot of tanks being created that the Germans just couldn't keep up. And the winter.

Geschreven door Guest, 28.10.2014 at 00:56

It was multiple reasons really, Russians got really patriotic so many more divisions were recuited and a lot of tanks being created that the Germans just couldn't keep up. And the winter.

And also the failure to break the siege of stalingrad.

Geschreven door Tundy, 28.10.2014 at 07:58

Geschreven door Guest, 28.10.2014 at 00:56

It was multiple reasons really, Russians got really patriotic so many more divisions were recuited and a lot of tanks being created that the Germans just couldn't keep up. And the winter.

And also the failure to break the siege of stalingrad.

dont forget leningrad

Geschreven door Pheonixking929, 28.10.2014 at 14:13

Geschreven door Tundy, 28.10.2014 at 07:58

Geschreven door Guest, 28.10.2014 at 00:56

It was multiple reasons really, Russians got really patriotic so many more divisions were recuited and a lot of tanks being created that the Germans just couldn't keep up. And the winter.

And also the failure to break the siege of stalingrad.

dont forget leningrad

Or Moscow.

Geschreven door Guest, 28.10.2014 at 14:35

Geschreven door Pheonixking929, 28.10.2014 at 14:13

Geschreven door Tundy, 28.10.2014 at 07:58

Geschreven door Guest, 28.10.2014 at 00:56

It was multiple reasons really, Russians got really patriotic so many more divisions were recuited and a lot of tanks being created that the Germans just couldn't keep up. And the winter.

And also the failure to break the siege of stalingrad.

dont forget leningrad

Or Moscow.

And that Britain cracked their enigma codes

Geschreven door Professor Panda, 28.10.2014 at 19:03

Geschreven door Guest, 28.10.2014 at 14:35

Geschreven door Pheonixking929, 28.10.2014 at 14:13

Geschreven door Tundy, 28.10.2014 at 07:58

Geschreven door Guest, 28.10.2014 at 00:56

It was multiple reasons really, Russians got really patriotic so many more divisions were recuited and a lot of tanks being created that the Germans just couldn't keep up. And the winter.

And also the failure to break the siege of stalingrad.

dont forget leningrad

Or Moscow.

And that Britain cracked their enigma codes

and that they were so ridiculously outnumbered

Geschreven door Viruslegion, 28.10.2014 at 19:06

Geschreven door Professor Panda, 28.10.2014 at 19:03

Geschreven door Guest, 28.10.2014 at 14:35

Geschreven door Pheonixking929, 28.10.2014 at 14:13

Geschreven door Tundy, 28.10.2014 at 07:58

Geschreven door Guest, 28.10.2014 at 00:56

It was multiple reasons really, Russians got really patriotic so many more divisions were recuited and a lot of tanks being created that the Germans just couldn't keep up. And the winter.

And also the failure to break the siege of stalingrad.

dont forget leningrad

Or Moscow.

And that Britain cracked their enigma codes

and that they were so ridiculously outnumbered

AND THE MOTHERFUCKING UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Geschreven door Nero, 28.10.2014 at 19:09

Geschreven door Viruslegion, 28.10.2014 at 19:06

Geschreven door Professor Panda, 28.10.2014 at 19:03

Geschreven door Guest, 28.10.2014 at 14:35

Geschreven door Pheonixking929, 28.10.2014 at 14:13

Geschreven door Tundy, 28.10.2014 at 07:58

Geschreven door Guest, 28.10.2014 at 00:56

It was multiple reasons really, Russians got really patriotic so many more divisions were recuited and a lot of tanks being created that the Germans just couldn't keep up. And the winter.

And also the failure to break the siege of stalingrad.

dont forget leningrad

Or Moscow.

And that Britain cracked their enigma codes

and that they were so ridiculously outnumbered

AND THE MOTHERFUCKINGUNITED STATES OF AMERICA

'murica fuck yea!

Geschreven door Nero, 28.10.2014 at 19:09

Geschreven door Viruslegion, 28.10.2014 at 19:06

Geschreven door Professor Panda, 28.10.2014 at 19:03

Geschreven door Guest, 28.10.2014 at 14:35

Geschreven door Pheonixking929, 28.10.2014 at 14:13

Geschreven door Tundy, 28.10.2014 at 07:58

Geschreven door Guest, 28.10.2014 at 00:56

It was multiple reasons really, Russians got really patriotic so many more divisions were recuited and a lot of tanks being created that the Germans just couldn't keep up. And the winter.

And also the failure to break the siege of stalingrad.

dont forget leningrad

Or Moscow.

And that Britain cracked their enigma codes

and that they were so ridiculously outnumbered

AND THE MOTHERFUCKING UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

No, USA beat Japan but didn't do so much in Europe.

The Germans (for some reason) decided that invading the Soviet Union would be a good idea.
Not long after, they also decided (for some reason) to declare war on the United States after Pearl Harbor.

Exactly what they were thinking when they decided to fight both the most populous European country and the wealthiest country in the world at the same time they were fighting the greatest colonial power of the day is a bit of a mystery.

Geschreven door I Will DEVOUR, 29.10.2014 at 03:42

Maybe, just maybe, because the Soviet Union ALREADY HAD PLANS OF INVADING GERMANY BEFOREHAND?
But school manuals dont' say that so it's not true, right, you gullible fool?

Maybe just maybe, because they hoped Japan will open a second front in Russia making it crumble?[/b]

It's not a mystery at all, but it's hidden cause the governmejnt doesn't want you to think differently. Be a drone. That's the mantra of the world government. Germany was acting in self-defense.

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1. The Soviet Union may or may not have had those plans. I don't know about that. But even if they had those plans, fighting a defensive war is much easier than fighting an offensive one. Human wave tactics tend not to work well across natural defenses boosted by construction, and Soviet armor were always outclassed by German ones.

2. Exactly how Japan, whose army is bogged down in China and has just added the US to its list of enemies is supposed to fight the Soviets is beyond me.

3. Germany was acting in self-defense? I think the Soviets will feel very differently about that.

4. Last but not least, I think name-calling and finger pointing can wait a few posts. We're just getting started now.

Uh... This wasn't about what exactly caused whom's defeat in WWII, but rather trying to put collateral as more prominent feature with map-makers that adds a new dimension of strategic warfare to their maps. It would make a player think twice before throwing a huge stack of artillery, who would have a high collateral, to capture, say, Kharkov while the soviet player still has a formidable stack not far away. If they did this, they wouldn't be able to produce on the front-lines nearly as much and would have to pull in resources from other cities/fronts to make sure they don't lose a huge stack or lose an important, strategic battle. Logistics and such is an underrated aspect of the game(a sole problem people complained about RP), and really only appears in places where cities are so wide-spread. This certainly presents more of a challenge than just "build an economy, capture large cities with huge stacks, cap, win" and really puts competitive gamers to the test. Being a noob map-maker with little experience, I'd rather ask the community their thoughts on a more collateral/logistic intensive gameplay and hope someone who has experience can work with this.

Also, this doesn't have to just relate to WWII, it can be used for places like Africa, where cities are spread apart, and the use of high-collateral units would not be a viable option. It could really show how a player might fight in one area, but have to fight completely different or more relaxed in another.