First turn capital WF

..... doesnt really change anything if u cant attack, you can still wf lol.

Geschreven door Goblin, 22.03.2013 at 18:36

Geschreven door Milkyy, 22.03.2013 at 17:09

..... doesnt really change anything if u cant attack, you can still wf lol.

Yes idiots could still WF, but at least that WF wouldn't mean much, and wouldn't ruin a game for a player who was wall fucked ...jesus some dude tried to wall my capital 1. turn the other day ...wtf.

P.S. ...damn you beer!

well ok yea, i guess there's not much point in WF'ing if you cant attack anyways : )

P.S. ... ily2 goblin <3

Looks like WF is becoming the new First turn attacks.

I do see where you are annoyed Gobby, but the current situation is defiantly an improvement on the old situation where you would always have to expect the first turn rush and dead turn 1. The thing is these first turn WF in 9/10 situations actually damage their own chances, you know exactly what they are going to do on turn 2, arguably the most important turn in any game. So where they are rushing you they limit their expansion/consolidation in other areas.

Scenario 1 - they rush you turn two, you send units back to defend, you are able to defend = loss of troops for them and little chance for further expansion, your expansion is 1 turn behind but you still have advantage.

Scenario 2 - they rush you turn two, you know they are going to do this, you also know they will try to pump all units in once they have it. Your response expand more don't attempt to take it back until you can overwhelm him so you expand more. He losses position and money trying to defend it, you get it back, he is left with nothing.


I do agree though, its an underhand tactic, I just think its not actually that hard to counter vs middle rank players :-)

Geschreven door Goblin, 23.03.2013 at 04:07

Yes this stands correct b0nker ...for a 1vs1 games, but when you are in a 10 players game and you are the only one wallfucked, you will lose the entire move on defending your cap while others expand freely, so therefore you have no other choice but to leave the game.

btw. in 1vs1 ...scenario 3 - i WF you ...you take all your troops back to cap ...i dont attack your cap but expand more ...you lost the entire move.

lolz xD

Scenario 4 - I WF you you WF me, we both defend - bertanK wins

Most of the maps arent based on competitive team games, first it was "first turn peace" which ruind some scenarios, now its no wf for for 3rd turns..
there is no writing rule such as "no wf first turn" which high ranks invented for their team games. newcomers will only be confused with those ridiculous rules...
if you dont want player to wf you, play with the ones you know wont do it e.g. the ones that play those competitive team games which follow the same 'rules'.
if its a tournament and the opponent wf then he instantly lose the match and the one that have been wf'd went trhough...

Just make it impossible to enter enemy territory on turn 1. (colored part, you know his country)

just like when you can't enter water with a land unit.

Geschreven door Goblin, 23.03.2013 at 16:11

Geschreven door tophat, 23.03.2013 at 13:34

Just make it impossible to enter enemy territory on turn 1. (colored part, you know his country)

just like when you can't enter water with a land unit.

Somebody proposed that before, but the reaspons was that its to difficult to programm it.

Dont you think my solution is simpler. If the game can recognize capital cities it could probably be easy to make it non attackable until certain turn.

No. I prefer the current one. People we'll just have to abide by the rules of "common courtesy". If someone wfs you turn 1, just correct him and explain to him this rule. If they continue to break it, they will just have to live with the burden of "bad reputation".

I prefer the way it is right now.

What's next? Rework the peace rule and everyone is peaced for 10 turns?

Geschreven door notserral, 23.03.2013 at 17:47

I prefer the way it is right now.

What's next? Rework the peace rule and everyone is peaced for 10 turns?

Lol, obv it won't go that far, I think goblins suggestion is a fair and logical one, I don't see why it should cause a problem.

The only thing that will change is that people won't wall for the first 2 turns and use those troops for expantion.

another possible solution is that, it will just be impossible to wf, even if you put a unit next to his cap. I don't think that is a hard thing to implement. So just making wf 'ing not work for the first turn. I think this is a better and a more simple, straightforward idea actually. : )

Well, without wallfucking, walls become too OP. I think a good solution is to not allow wallfucking if the players were at peace the turn before (just like when a unit is near an allied wall).

Or just take the loss and deal with it that you simply were not good enough to beat several players near you when they wf you.
It not a big deal imo since its always in the very first turn not much time is wasted.

Geschreven door VRIL, 23.03.2013 at 21:08

Or just take the loss and deal with it that you simply were not good enough to beat several players near you when they wf you.
It not a big deal imo since its always in the very first turn not much time is wasted.

Read these words of wisdom.

Geschreven door Goblin, 24.03.2013 at 05:54

Beer ...what kind of bigger expansion do you expect with the help of 3 more infantry.

Wallfucking not working we already had for a short while ...and it was a disaster.

Only for the first turn goblin, not for the whole game, i think people didnt understand me. I am saying, make it not possible to wf only first turn, then second turn you can attack the wall and wf it like normally, it is the easist and simplest solution.

Rushing is a part of the game, Goblin. If you spawned near someone or someone spawned near you, you have to be prepared to be rushed, you have to expect that.

When TB existed and you could rush each other's capitals on turn 1, you'd always have to prepare yourself, expand/TB, but also get ready to be capped. And if we have capitals that cannot be attacked until turn 3, someone in the future will complain it is unfair and push it to turn 4 or 5.

And WF is also a part of the game, you yourself mentioned it were problems without it, and on turn 2 WF also serves as a "chess check", forcing your enemy to do something or he'll die (thus when he reinforces his capital you expand).

Geschreven door Goblin, 24.03.2013 at 09:28

Geschreven door Milkyy, 24.03.2013 at 08:56

Geschreven door Goblin, 24.03.2013 at 05:54

Beer ...what kind of bigger expansion do you expect with the help of 3 more infantry.

Wallfucking not working we already had for a short while ...and it was a disaster.

Only for the first turn goblin, not for the whole game, i think people didnt understand me. I am saying, make it not possible to wf only first turn, then second turn you can attack the wall and wf it like normally, it is the easist and simplest solution.

i understand beer ...and like i told you for a short while there was a no WF in first turns. Now problem was everyone walled neutrals ...so everytime for example: UK vs Spain fight for Paris ...player who would won would be walled by the other player cuz WF was not possible first turn. And making it no WF just for players countries is, as told, not a small thing to programm.

I stand by my suggestion make capitals non attackable until turn 3, no 1. turn WF would still be a "unwritten rule", and if someone breaks that rule he wont gain much ...it would be as if he attacked the wall in 2 turn. (advantage of his WF would be so small, minimal ...he wouldnt possibly lose one troop he would have used attacking a wall ...but that is funny if you compare it to how things are now)

And this i repeat this would not justify Wallfucking someone in the 1. turn.

oh right, how stupid of me to not think of that :S btw would it really be hard to program so that only on a players country, you cant WF?

I gave you a reasonable reason, Goblin: it detracts from the game strategy. When I wallfuck, I do it to either attack someone or make someone think I'm going to attack.

edit: I mean first turn WF.

Geschreven door Goblin, 24.03.2013 at 16:58

Geschreven door notserral, 24.03.2013 at 15:33

I gave you a reasonable reason, Goblin: it detracts from the game strategy. When I wallfuck, I do it to either attack someone or make someone think I'm going to attack.

Jesus Pulse ...read man, im not against WF in general, hell my idea has nothing to doo with preventing the WF, wich is necessary ...im just trying to make the 1. turn Capital Wallfuck to become useless.

I know, and I'm opposed to exactly that. I was too general on my reply.