Drugs and Facts.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7-facts-about-drugs-that-will-make-you-question-everything_b_9484744.html?utm_hp_ref=science&ir=Science§ion=us_science

To quote the own site:

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When it comes to drugs, we can continue to live in a fantasy-world if we want — and we will keep getting the results we've got: a catastrophic heroin addiction epidemic across the U.S., spiraling overdose deaths, and teens finding it easier than ever to get the drug.

Or we can do something really original — something few of us have done for a century now. We can start to look at the facts.

It's a bit shocking because it contradict common sense. I supported to make the cannabis legal in Uruguay because the argument about stealing the business off the criminals was rather convincing. But I never though that it had such a great impact to legalize drugs elsewhere (like in swiss).

What do you guys spot on in regards of drugs? Should all be legal? All Illegal? Which ones should'be legal and which ones not?

Drugs are bad m'kay

Drugs are baad mkaaaay

Anyway i think it should be somewhat legalized so the state can monitor the production and tax it , instead of pouring in billions of dollars worth
of money into the anti-drug war thats been going around.The drug adiction is growing despite that the state is fighting so hard against it
so in my opinion i think we should find a new method , and maybe we can try what some western nations did like swiss and netherlands.
That option worked for those states , maybe it can work around the world too.

Geschreven door Acquiesce, 17.03.2016 at 14:18

Drugs are bad m'kay

You had a bad trip didnt you... <<rest of message deleted cuz dont want Tito to call me a junky>>

Yes, legalize it, make more money to latin cartels, italian mafia and east-asian clans.

You fail to see that if you legalize drugs, cartels will just expand their production and distribute faster, making more and more money while your government will oversee and tax 'legal' shops in cities.

You'll just legalize those cartels and their empires build on blood and suffering of slaves and innocents, some of them murdered.

Drugs should stay legal in NL ofc! Or else we get bankrupt. Obviously.

Nah joke, I for one don't use drugs at all, ofcourse have tried weed before, but I don't get why drugs should be legalized tbf, one the other hand, something that is not legal , most likely will be done more than something that is legal.

Geschreven door Skanderbeg, 17.03.2016 at 14:48

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About which type of drugs are you talking about? I asume the commonly accepted as illegal ones?

What you say about the cartels didn't happened in Uruguay or Switzerland, by the way. In fact, taken from the article, when Portugal decriminalized all drugs : injecting drug use fell by 50 percent.

How do you deal with those facts?

Geschreven door clovis1122, 17.03.2016 at 14:58

About which type of drugs are you talking about? I asume the commonly accepted as illegal ones?

What you say about the cartels didn't happened in Uruguay or Switzerland, by the way. In fact, taken from the article, when Portugal decriminalized all drugs : injecting drug use fell by 50 percent.

How do you deal with those facts?

Coincidence or circumstance in Portugal. Try that in USA, Russia or China.

Legalizing drugs, no matter what drug, from cocaine to marijuana; will just encourage entrepreneurs to open private shops and order large amount of drugs from producers. Therefore you have legal shops which you tax and monitor, but they order supplies from Bolivia, Colombia, Vietnam, Thailand, China, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan.

Or do you think you can ban import from cartels and mafia? Maybe impose tariffs? Or subsidize its own citizens to build drug farms?

Ban all of them. Even tobacco.

Geschreven door clovis1122, 17.03.2016 at 14:13

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7-facts-about-drugs-that-will-make-you-question-everything_b_9484744.html?utm_hp_ref=science&ir=Science§ion=us_science

To quote the own site:

Quote:

When it comes to drugs, we can continue to live in a fantasy-world if we want — and we will keep getting the results we've got: a catastrophic heroin addiction epidemic across the U.S., spiraling overdose deaths, and teens finding it easier than ever to get the drug.

Or we can do something really original — something few of us have done for a century now. We can start to look at the facts.

It's a bit shocking because it contradict common sense. I supported to make the cannabis legal in Uruguay because the argument about stealing the business off the criminals was rather convincing. But I never though that it had such a great impact to legalize drugs elsewhere (like in swiss).

What do you guys spot on in regards of drugs? Should all be legal? All Illegal? Which ones should'be legal and which ones not?

Interesting article. I am very hesitant to make drugs like heroin legal. One thing I think most people can agree on is the War on Drugs has been a failure (at least in the US). The drug trade has a supply and demand. There will always be a supply and yet when spend billions every year trying to hunt down its manufacturers, it's smugglers, etc. Why not go back to dealing with the demand? Educating people about the dangers associated with drugs and opening up clinics for drug addicts to enter free of charge? We spend tens of thousands fo dollars every year per prisoner who is found using drugs- why not place them in a psychiatric ward to help deal with their addiction- a mental disease that can be treated through support?

Geschreven door Khal.eesi, 16.03.2016 at 19:30

Just wondering were you looking for this?

Geschreven door Pheonixking929, 17.03.2016 at 15:57

Educating people about the dangers associated with drugs and opening up clinics for drug addicts to enter free of charge? We spend tens of thousands fo dollars every year per prisoner who is found using drugs- why not place them in a psychiatric ward to help deal with their addiction- a mental disease that can be treated through support?

Just educating people telling them that drug is bad and such is not working, at least not here. In my school the police went every year to speak with all the students about the drug. It was a great failure for what I can see.

Switzerland did a different twist however.

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Fact Three: Switzerland legalized heroin for addicts over a decade ago. Nobody has ever died on an overdose there on legal heroin.

Switzerland also had a huge heroin crisis. Under a visionary president — Ruth Dreifus — they decided to try an experiment. [b]f you are a heroin addict, you are assigned to a clinic, and you are given your heroin there, for free, where you use it supervised by a doctor or nurse. You are given support to turn your life around, and find a job, and housing.

The result? Nobody has died of an overdose on legal heroin — literally nobody. Street crime fell significantly. The heroin epidemic ended. Most legal heroin users choose to reduce their dose and come off the program over time, because as they find work, and no longer feel stigmatized, they want to be present in their lives again.

Might be shocking, but it is indeed, a fact.

Its simple science, whenever its tried, it had 100% success, so not doing it is illogical and evidence of corruption between politicians and lobbyists. Usage, deaths,crime,aids/diseases go down, public awareness and knowledge increases, while at the same time you eliminate the biggest black market in the world ( and with it all the cartels, gangs and albanians)

Another thing many people fail to understand is how much the thrill of the forbidden matters. Most of us started doing drugs because they were illegal and badass/cool. Creates a whole subculture that seems very appealing to young people. Right goblin? Also becoming a user, automatically marginalizes and stigmatizes you and you are forced to deal with shady people and thugs, you have to constantly lie and hide and burn through your money pretty fast. All these factors contribute to raising the chance of you commiting a crime.

One last thing. No drug is instantly addictive. You have to use alot and every day to become addicted. Even heroin. The reason people get hooked is not because its addictive but because it simply makes you feel great. And for normal people who usually feel shit most of the day ( shitty job, traffic, boss yelling, gf cheating, stress, debts, got season felt like it was 1 episode) having a "feel good" on demand is something.

So total legalisation, education and knowledge on the subject and some basic psychology (mandatory starting from highschool) to help people manage their feelings, is all thats needed imo.

When i become a politician this will be the first thing on in my agenda.

Geschreven door Goblin, 17.03.2016 at 14:33

Geschreven door Acquiesce, 17.03.2016 at 14:18

Drugs are bad m'kay

You had a bad trip didnt you... <<rest of message deleted cuz dont want Tito to call me a junky>>

XA! JUNKY

I consider it is a basic right to consume drugs.
In this sense, it is about developing and implementing public politics that enables, on one hand, an informed, responsible and sustainable consume, and, on the other hand, a controlled, differentiated and progressive legalization.

Geschreven door Zephyrusu, 17.03.2016 at 15:29

Ban all of them. Even tobacco.

Chill out ISIS

Government needs to stop interfering in our life

Geschreven door Acquiesce, 17.03.2016 at 14:18

Drugs are bad m'kay

even weed?

Who actually believes that people are smart enough to become aware of the dangers of drugs...? I find it barely possible... It would be absolutely adorable to not have to ban drugs but, on the other hand, I would not trust everyone in having a responsable consumption...

Geschreven door Khal.eesi, 17.03.2016 at 16:42

One last thing. No drug is instantly addictive. You have to use alot and every day to become addicted. Even heroin.

My sister did heroin years ago and said that she was instantly hooked on it. The people who were pressuring her into it said the same thing as you did, and she believed it.

Full legalization. The only way to limit the distribution of drugs is to monitor it. Because of the many costs associated with illegal procurement(Possibly excluding cannabis since it's easily homegrown anywhere with electricity) the illegal sales would drop more and more until the underage are the only ones buying from them, since the legal is cheaper. At that point the cartels and drug maffias would be so weakened they would practically cease to exist.

Unleashed: legalize gun ownership
Khalesi: legalize drugs

ggnore you just destroyed human race.

Geschreven door For Antioch, 18.03.2016 at 08:24

I've always found the pro-drug community to be ridiculous. We are still working on legitimate problems like free speech, poverty, environment, etc. These are important and fundamental rights, and your focus is on drugs?

Actually main-stream politics on drugs are part of the other social issues you are mentioning.

Geschreven door For Antioch, 18.03.2016 at 16:47

Geschreven door Columna Durruti, 18.03.2016 at 15:18

Actually main-stream politics on drugs are part of the other social issues you are mentioning.

That doesn't address my points, nor does it answer my question. Just because its "main-stream" doesn't mean it has any value.

How can you possibly compare drug legalization to real human rights, like free speech? You think it is such a pressing issue that it should take priority with economic issues, property and privacy rights, the migrant crisis, and environmental damage?
These rights still aren't fully granted and the issues still not solved. Maybe deal with those first, and then we'll talk about helping you get high.

Well, it depends on how deep you are going to look into drug policies.
Actually the legalization of drugs is NOT about free consumption, but rather in establishing a legal governance on the drug value chain. And this is where it is actually all about human rights!
Just have a look ate the "war on drugs" US policy and its implications for human rights in Central America and northern South America.
Women being incarcerated (more than 50% of women in Latin American jails) for smuggling small amounts of drugs (voluntarily for a small income or pushed to do it), young people getting killed over stupidities and territorial control by gangs, police corruption, etc.It is all about human rights and drug policies are at the heart of it.

Drugs and hookers

Geschreven door For Antioch, 18.03.2016 at 16:47

Geschreven door Columna Durruti, 18.03.2016 at 15:18

Actually main-stream politics on drugs are part of the other social issues you are mentioning.

That doesn't address my points, nor does it answer my question. Just because its "main-stream" doesn't mean it has any value.

How can you possibly compare drug legalization to real human rights, like free speech? You think it is such a pressing issue that it should take priority with economic issues, property and privacy rights, the migrant crisis, and environmental damage?
These rights still aren't fully granted and the issues still not solved. Maybe deal with those first, and then we'll talk about helping you get high.

Isn't it a fundamental human right to do as we damn please with our own bodies? Or in your world, does the state have a right to own our bodies and therefore have the right to decide we what do with them?

Geschreven door 5th SS Wiking, 18.03.2016 at 20:08

Isn't it a fundamental human right to do as we damn please with our own bodies? Or in your world, does the state have a right to own our bodies and therefore have the right to decide we what do with them?

I basically agree with this. But, the State has the fundamental obligation to protect life.

Geschreven door For Antioch, 18.03.2016 at 20:33

...there are much more pressing issues to deal with first.

Like I said before, depends on the context. For some regions of the world, this is the most important issue. Getting control of the drug value chain. And this has to start with the consumption first.

Geschreven door TheRiddler, 18.03.2016 at 09:18

Geschreven door Khal.eesi, 17.03.2016 at 16:42

One last thing. No drug is instantly addictive. You have to use alot and every day to become addicted. Even heroin.

My sister did heroin years ago and said that she was instantly hooked on it. The people who were pressuring her into it said the same thing as you did, and she believed it.

As an ex-user turned volunteer addiction councellor myself, let me just say she couldnt be more wrong. Its wrong from a scientific (physical) pov, because the body needs a substance buildup and tolerance increase to start experiencing what we call addiction. An actual addict will experience shivering, headaches, pain, shaking and many others, when he is off. From a psychological pov, she was just experiencing feelings of joy, peace and hapiness and forgot all about pain, problems and stress and she just liked it, same as a little kid eats a candy and wants more, she was definately not hooked. If she was hooked then the next day she wouldnt be able to think anything other than getting her fix, she would be under constant stress, anxiety and anger.

Geschreven door For Antioch, 18.03.2016 at 08:24

We are still working on legitimate problems like free speech, poverty, environment, etc. These are important and fundamental rights, and your focus is on drugs?

That is a silly argument, common you are better than that. There is enough room in politics for all shorts of problems, not just the "serious" ones. You cant just dismiss policies on grounds of "not important enough". Should we stop protesting about animal abuse, until we solve the abuse of women and children for eg?

More so, im pretty sure citizens in Mexico and Columbia would disagree with you. For them dealing with the cartels is far more important than enviromental policy, because global warming is not murdering their families and children everyday, the cartels are.

Drug policy is important not only to eliminate the cartels, mafias and gangs to reduce crime, but the insane amount of income the governments would enjoy from taxation, would in essence means more money for social and enviromental policies and more money for healthcare and education.

Geschreven door For Antioch, 18.03.2016 at 08:24

I think most drugs (not including things like PCP) could be legal, as long as its' done away from the public. Keep in inside your house, so the rest of us don't have to be exposed. The number 1 priority needs to be protection of the individual's right not to be exposed to it. People should be able to go outside and not worry about drug addicts harassing them or causing damage. If there's a way to do that, sure we can legalize drugs.

That reminds me so much of the



I believe it should be an undisputed right protected by the constitution, that humans can do whatever they please with their bodies, as long as they dont violate any laws.

As for the harassment, if we agree to it,then its only logical to ban Albanians, fascists, anarchists, gamblers, immigrants, corporations, politicians and cops among others, since a percentage among the populace of these groups also commit crimes, or are prone to commit crimes (arguably) due to their set of values, ideologies, habits, beliefs, etc

I dont think substance addiction itself is the driveforce behind drug related crime. The biggest percentage is drug trade related and thus gang related and will be eliminated almost completely after legalization, and the small percentage that are crimes commited by actual addicts (petty theft?) are corelated heavily with poverty which corelates with high prices (due to the black market) and ostracization.

If an addict commits a crime or harasses someone (like a drunk person maybe?) then he will get arrested based on the crime he commited. If an addict is not a good employee (like a drunk, a heavily obese, someone mentally and/or psychologically unstable) he will get fired.

Lastly, from empirical evidence, we do possess the data now to support the argument that legalizing drugs in a country, when done correctly not only proves that the positives overshadow the negatives, but that it hardly results to negatives of any significance if at all.