The Holes in Trump's Agenda

It was a bad day when Trump was elected president. It was an even worse day when he started following through on some of his promises.



Weeeeeeeellllll, it isn't. Trump can easily be debunked on several of the cornerstones of his agenda, upon which there isn't much left of him.

IMMIGRATION

Terrorists

Trump has prevented immigration from several countries for 90 days to "prevent terrorists from getting in". The thing is, this isn't going to be effective at all: Your chances of being killed by an immigrant or a refugee terrorist is 1 in 3.6 billion. You're more likely to be killed by a lightning strike or an armed toddler. Therefore, it is more logical to ban toddlers for 90 days and save more lives.

The Wall

The wall across the Mexican border is also a defining part of Trump's agenda. However, it's going to be tricky for him to get it to do anything.

Say that you are Trump, and you build a wall. It's a nice wall, 20 feet high, it's the best wall they've ever seen. But the illegal immigrants still come. You check and you see that they have 21 foot tall ladders to get over the wall. So you make it higher, but they get 31 foot tall ladders. You put barbed wire on top of the wall, but their ladders just get a bit taller. So you get guards to patrol the top of the wall; if anybody comes up, they get detained.

But they still keep on coming through. You look and you find that they dig tunnels under the wall. So you get tremor sensors that alert your guards when somebody is trying to dig / crawl through. The illegal immigrants stop coming through, and the wall works beautifully. However, the wall is a larger version of the Berlin Wall, and we all know how well that ended up (hint: badly). And eventually, you find that the illegal immigrants are still coming through. You look and you look and you realize that you spent $50 billion dollars on a wall that doesn't even work because the immigrants can take a boat.

Paying for the Wall

Trump said that Mexico would pay for the wall he built. They refused. So, Trump said that Mexico will pay for the wall with a 20% import tax on goods from Mexico. Let's have an example:

Miguel sells salsa to John for $5 per jar. Then, the import tax comes along, so Miguel sells the salsa for $6, the US gets its $1, but Miguel still gets $5 dollars in profit. Who paid for the wall?

The American Consumer.

So in reality, the American people will pay for a wall that doesn't work.

The Environment

This just makes me sad. There is undeniable proof that the climate is changing; 2016 was the hottest year on record. The famines in Africa? That's because of pollution. Species are losing their habitat and their lives thanks to humans, and now we've elected a president who believes that the climate is not changing. He is going to try to build the North Dakota Access Pipeline and the Keystone Pipeline so we can all die from climate change faster. Fun. NOT. In case you need some convincing, take into account that 97% of all scientists agree that the climate is changing.

CONCLUSION

Trump's agenda is wrong and flawed, and all that's left now is a psychopath with such a distorted view of reality that it's scary af. So unless we get him impeached ASAP, we're going to all end up dead.

That was pretty depressing, I admit.


"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.
"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair, and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

"There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."

― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King

That's better. Anyways, there's work to do.

Hillary will enforce a no fly zone in Syria to stop russian jets flying...many generals said that will cause ww3 with russia

just google it + if u say past changes then why u talk about Trump bankrupcies there were only 4 of them.



while Hillary literly said that 4 lives didnt matter.



it is easier to chose ignorace the truth

Geschreven door Greenflame, 02.02.2017 at 07:01

Trump's agenda is wrong and flawed, and all that's left now is a psychopath with such a distorted view of reality that it's scary af. So unless we get him impeached ASAP, we're going to all end up dead.

dont fall to use such ad hominem fallacies and apocalyptic scenarios, when you can critizise trump with actual evidence on a much higher niveau.

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Trump's agenda is wrong and flawed, and all that's left now is a psychopath with such a distorted view of reality that it's scary af. So unless we get him impeached ASAP, we're
going to all end up dead.

if hillary got elected i whould exept a nuclear war the biggest theart to america was hillarys foreign policy

@Sir Naster: Just because I disagree with Trump doesn't mean that I love Hillary. I always much preferred Bernie. And my entire argument is anti-Trump, not pro-Hillary. Also, I never mentioned anything about Trump's bankruptcies.

Geschreven door Greenflame, 02.02.2017 at 07:01

Trumps agenda has a couple of holes, obviously he is not perfect. They mainly fall on his cabinet choices, particularly enviroment, education, treasury and supreme court.

That being said, the holes in your logic and arguments are way bigger and easily proven.

Geschreven door Greenflame, 02.02.2017 at 07:01

IMMIGRATION

Terrorists

Trump has prevented immigration from several countries for 90 days to "prevent terrorists from getting in". The thing is, this isn't going to be effective at all: Your chances of being killed by an immigrant or a refugee terrorist is 1 in 3.6 billion. You're more likely to be killed by a lightning strike or an armed toddler. Therefore, it is more logical to ban toddlers for 90 days and save more lives.

1. It only takes one jihadist to take out an entire nightclub, so numbers dont ammount to much.
2. Jihadists, as proven by the TONS of empirical evidence we got from Europe, are raised, harbored, imported and sanctioned by the muslim communities in each country. The more the community grows, the more they segregate, create no-go zones, demand special treatment, impose sharia law illegally and finally, promote and support terrorist attacks. Terrorist attacks are the end game, the RESULT, Trump is not hitting the result, rather the source.
3. Your analogy is quite fallacious aswell. First of all lightning strikes are natural disasters, not concious human beings with "intent". Secondly, we take precautions for lightning strikes, like all the other natural disasters, we dont leave it to luck. And third, the chances of getting eaten up by lion or get shredded to pieces by a shark are low aswell, but that doesnt mean we should go and feed the lions and swimm with sharks. We take precautions to avoid death, not the other way around, at least not if we want to be considered intelligent beings.

Geschreven door Greenflame, 02.02.2017 at 07:01

The Wall

The wall across the Mexican border is also a defining part of Trump's agenda. However, it's going to be tricky for him to get it to do anything.

Say that you are Trump, and you build a wall. It's a nice wall, 20 feet high, it's the best wall they've ever seen. But the illegal immigrants still come. You check and you see that they have 21 foot tall ladders to get over the wall. So you make it higher, but they get 31 foot tall ladders. You put barbed wire on top of the wall, but their ladders just get a bit taller. So you get guards to patrol the top of the wall; if anybody comes up, they get detained.

But they still keep on coming through. You look and you find that they dig tunnels under the wall. So you get tremor sensors that alert your guards when somebody is trying to dig / crawl through. The illegal immigrants stop coming through, and the wall works beautifully. However, the wall is a larger version of the Berlin Wall, and we all know how well that ended up (hint: badly). And eventually, you find that the illegal immigrants are still coming through. You look and you look and you realize that you spent $50 billion dollars on a wall that doesn't even work because the immigrants can take a boat.

Again, highly flawed logic. With that mentality, people still steal, rob, kill, rape, park illegally and so on, so we should just get rid of the police department all together. They cant fully stop criminals anyway and they cost billions of tax payer money. Its not all or nothing, everything is a process and a continuation depending on the means and a ton of other factors. We do what we can. The wall, will slow down illegal immigration, that is a fact and a step towards the goal. Cant say the same about the Democrats policies where they managed to let millions and millions of illegals during Obamas presidency. I suppose your alternative is doing nothing? You are just a contrarian, like all of Hillaries voters, trashing a policy, without offering any alternative.

Geschreven door Greenflame, 02.02.2017 at 07:01

Paying for the Wall

Trump said that Mexico would pay for the wall he built. They refused. So, Trump said that Mexico will pay for the wall with a 20% import tax on goods from Mexico. Let's have an example:

Miguel sells salsa to John for $5 per jar. Then, the import tax comes along, so Miguel sells the salsa for $6, the US gets its $1, but Miguel still gets $5 dollars in profit. Who paid for the wall?

The American Consumer.

So in reality, the American people will pay for a wall that doesn't work.

Its way more complicated than that. Trump is declaring a "war" with Mexico and he has the upper hand. The tariff will serve USA's interests in the end, because USA is getting fucked in the ass not only by immigration, but by trade aswell. Mexico is exporting 80% of its products to USA and in the same time exporting all the undesirables aswell, poor, uneducated and criminals, while doing nothing to fight cartels and corruption and fix the economy of its own country. Its win-win for Mexico up until now and loose-loose for the average american citizen, that sees jobs flying away from his country, criminal activity of illegals rising and his tax dollars going to wellfare and government institutions that are needed to handle all these illegals.

With the import tax, Mexico's companies will have to lower prices so they get a share of the tax indirectly, or loose competitiveness and revenue. Mexico's government will have to rethink its stance, or the revenue from its biggest trade partner will diminish. Trump on the other hand has the upper hand on all the future negotiations for trade and immigration and lets be honest, americans can get their avocados and t shirts elsewhere, who the fuck really cares, except big corpos like wallmart and bestbuy. As i said earlier, its a process and this is just starting.

Geschreven door Greenflame, 02.02.2017 at 07:01

The Environment

This just makes me sad. There is undeniable proof that the climate is changing; 2016 was the hottest year on record. The famines in Africa? That's because of pollution. Species are losing their habitat and their lives thanks to humans, and now we've elected a president who believes that the climate is not changing. He is going to try to build the North Dakota Access Pipeline and the Keystone Pipeline so we can all die from climate change faster. Fun. NOT. In case you need some convincing, take into account that 97% of all scientists agree that the climate is changing.

The scientific community, has lost the respect and trust of the people, after being found biased and corrupted in so many cases. And that is very very sad indeed. Cant blame the people 100% for their distrust, as scientists showed they can be easily bought, like politicians. But we cant turn our back to science as well, if we do we might as well go back to the Middle ages or become a muslim country.

So i agree with you, global warming is real, supported by tons of indisputable evidence and Trump showed already, even only by his cabinet and ignorant tweets, that he is gonna do so much harm during his Presidency.

Point for you here.

Geschreven door Greenflame, 02.02.2017 at 07:01

CONCLUSION

Trump's agenda is wrong and flawed, and all that's left now is a psychopath with such a distorted view of reality that it's scary af. So unless we get him impeached ASAP, we're going to all end up dead.

Your argument is both false and invalid, not only the premises were false, but they were also to an extent fallacious, meaning even if they were true, they would still not support your conclusion.

you could edit to this:

CONCLUSION:

Trump is not perfect and will certainly make some mistakes during his Presidency, like every single president. It remains to be seen what the ration between the good and the bad policies will be, but its safe to say, he s had a great start and so far we have only seen more good things than bad by him and more illogical and unreasonable criticism by both the media and the population, that evidently point out to debunking the year-long claims that Liberals are smarter and/or more educated and/or more peacefull/ law abiding/ tolerant.

Its also safe to conclude that the alternative, Hillary, is in fact most probably a psychopath, definitely a murderer and a sociopath, proven to be working against USA's interests and with a factually supported great chance of starting ww3 if she ever got elected.

Geschreven door Khal.eesi, 02.02.2017 at 08:37

Geschreven door Greenflame, 02.02.2017 at 07:01

Trumps agenda has a couple of holes, obviously he is not perfect. They mainly fall on his cabinet choices, particularly enviroment, education, treasury and supreme court.

That being said, the holes in your logic and arguments are way bigger and easily proven.

Geschreven door Greenflame, 02.02.2017 at 07:01

IMMIGRATION

Terrorists

Trump has prevented immigration from several countries for 90 days to "prevent terrorists from getting in". The thing is, this isn't going to be effective at all: Your chances of being killed by an immigrant or a refugee terrorist is 1 in 3.6 billion. You're more likely to be killed by a lightning strike or an armed toddler. Therefore, it is more logical to ban toddlers for 90 days and save more lives.

1. It only takes one jihadist to take out an entire nightclub, so numbers dont ammount to much.
2. Jihadists, as proven by the TONS of empirical evidence we got from Europe, are raised, harbored, imported and sanctioned by the muslim communities in each country. The more the community grows, the more they segregate, create no-go zones, demand special treatment, impose sharia law illegally and finally, promote and support terrorist attacks. Terrorist attacks are the end game, the RESULT, Trump is not hitting the result, rather the source.
3. Your analogy is quite fallacious aswell. First of all lightning strikes are natural disasters, not concious human beings with "intent". Secondly, we take precautions for lightning strikes, like all the other natural disasters, we dont leave it to luck. And third, the chances of getting eaten up by lion or get shredded to pieces by a shark are low aswell, but that doesnt mean we should go and feed the lions and swimm with sharks. We take precautions to avoid death, not the other way around, at least not if we want to be considered intelligent beings.

Geschreven door Greenflame, 02.02.2017 at 07:01

The Wall

The wall across the Mexican border is also a defining part of Trump's agenda. However, it's going to be tricky for him to get it to do anything.

Say that you are Trump, and you build a wall. It's a nice wall, 20 feet high, it's the best wall they've ever seen. But the illegal immigrants still come. You check and you see that they have 21 foot tall ladders to get over the wall. So you make it higher, but they get 31 foot tall ladders. You put barbed wire on top of the wall, but their ladders just get a bit taller. So you get guards to patrol the top of the wall; if anybody comes up, they get detained.

But they still keep on coming through. You look and you find that they dig tunnels under the wall. So you get tremor sensors that alert your guards when somebody is trying to dig / crawl through. The illegal immigrants stop coming through, and the wall works beautifully. However, the wall is a larger version of the Berlin Wall, and we all know how well that ended up (hint: badly). And eventually, you find that the illegal immigrants are still coming through. You look and you look and you realize that you spent $50 billion dollars on a wall that doesn't even work because the immigrants can take a boat.

Again, highly flawed logic. With that mentality, people still steal, rob, kill, rape, park illegally and so on, so we should just get rid of the police department all together. They cant fully stop criminals anyway and they cost billions of tax payer money. Its not all or nothing, everything is a process and a continuation depending on the means and a ton of other factors. We do what we can. The wall, will slow down illegal immigration, that is a fact and a step towards the goal. Cant say the same about the Democrats policies where they managed to let millions and millions of illegals during Obamas presidency. I suppose your alternative is doing nothing? You are just a contrarian, like all of Hillaries voters, trashing a policy, without offering any alternative.

Geschreven door Greenflame, 02.02.2017 at 07:01

Paying for the Wall

Trump said that Mexico would pay for the wall he built. They refused. So, Trump said that Mexico will pay for the wall with a 20% import tax on goods from Mexico. Let's have an example:

Miguel sells salsa to John for $5 per jar. Then, the import tax comes along, so Miguel sells the salsa for $6, the US gets its $1, but Miguel still gets $5 dollars in profit. Who paid for the wall?

The American Consumer.

So in reality, the American people will pay for a wall that doesn't work.

Its way more complicated than that. Trump is declaring a "war" with Mexico and he has the upper hand. The tariff will serve USA's interests in the end, because USA is getting fucked in the ass not only by immigration, but by trade aswell. Mexico is exporting 80% of its products to USA and in the same time exporting all the undesirables aswell, poor, uneducated and criminals, while doing nothing to fight cartels and corruption and fix the economy of its own country. Its win-win for Mexico up until now and loose-loose for the average american citizen, that sees jobs flying away from his country, criminal activity of illegals rising and his tax dollars going to wellfare and government institutions that are needed to handle all these illegals.

With the import tax, Mexico's companies will have to lower prices so they get a share of the tax indirectly, or loose competitiveness and revenue. Mexico's government will have to rethink its stance, or the revenue from its biggest trade partner will diminish. Trump on the other hand has the upper hand on all the future negotiations for trade and immigration and lets be honest, americans can get their avocados and t shirts elsewhere, who the fuck really cares, except big corpos like wallmart and bestbuy. As i said earlier, its a process and this is just starting.

Geschreven door Greenflame, 02.02.2017 at 07:01

The Environment

This just makes me sad. There is undeniable proof that the climate is changing; 2016 was the hottest year on record. The famines in Africa? That's because of pollution. Species are losing their habitat and their lives thanks to humans, and now we've elected a president who believes that the climate is not changing. He is going to try to build the North Dakota Access Pipeline and the Keystone Pipeline so we can all die from climate change faster. Fun. NOT. In case you need some convincing, take into account that 97% of all scientists agree that the climate is changing.

The scientific community, has lost the respect and trust of the people, after being found biased and corrupted in so many cases. And that is very very sad indeed. Cant blame the people 100% for their distrust, as scientists showed they can be easily bought, like politicians. But we cant turn our back to science as well, if we do we might as well go back to the Middle ages or become a muslim country.

So i agree with you, global warming is real, supported by tons of indisputable evidence and Trump showed already, even only by his cabinet and ignorant tweets, that he is gonna do so much harm during his Presidency.

Point for you here.

Geschreven door Greenflame, 02.02.2017 at 07:01

CONCLUSION

Trump's agenda is wrong and flawed, and all that's left now is a psychopath with such a distorted view of reality that it's scary af. So unless we get him impeached ASAP, we're going to all end up dead.

Your argument is both false and invalid, not only the premises were false, but they were also to an extent fallacious, meaning even if they were true, they would still not support your conclusion.

you could edit to this:

CONCLUSION:

Trump is not perfect and will certainly make some mistakes during his Presidency, like every single president. It remains to be seen what the ration between the good and the bad policies will be, but its safe to say, he s had a great start and so far we have only seen good things.

Its also safe to conclude that the alternative, Hillary, is in fact most probably a psychopath, definitely a murderer and a sociopath, proven to be working against USA's interests and with a factually supported great chance of starting ww3 if she ever got elected.

Unfortunately, you misunderstand my point on several of these arguments. I used the lightning strike analogy to show that refugee terrorists aren't a giant threat that slaughters hundreds. My point on that argument is that while refugees aren't harmless, the cost outweighs the gain: there are smart, good people who have been blocked from coming to the US such as international students at MIT and Harvard, or international employees for companies such as Google and IBM. And speaking about nightclubs, the Orlando shooter was born and raised in the US.

With the wall:

Once again, the cost outweighs the gain. Yes, it will stop some illegal immigration. But will it really help? There are all sorts of ways that immigrants can bypass the wall, which sources estimate will cost $25 billion to build, and that's not even counting yearly upkeep. This isn't like the police force, which saves countless lives on a daily basis. And also, who wants a second Iron Curtain, this time in the US?

And Khal, what evidence do you really have for all of this "exporting undesirables"? Trump has lied before and said absolute whoppers. And I don't know much about economics, but the import tax should make the consumers suffer.

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Geschreven door Brsjak, 02.02.2017 at 07:20

Trump's agenda is wrong and flawed, and all that's left now is a psychopath with such a distorted view of reality that it's scary af. So unless we get him impeached ASAP, we're
going to all end up dead.

if hillary got elected i whould exept a nuclear war the biggest theart to america was hillarys foreign policy

You're a bloody idiot if you think ww3 will start if Hillary got elected. On a global scale, nobody is stupid enough to recklessly declare war. There are things called diplomacy and negotiation that you fail to understand exists on the world scale

If you honestly think a no fly zone would cause ww3 just shut up and stop sharing your shite ideas.

When turkey shot down a russian jet, ww3 did not start. All that happened was some negotiation and diplomacy happened and an apology was given. Ww3 did not start when a NATO member shot down a russian jet, what makes you so sure people are so blindingly stupid to spark war over no fly zones.

Seriously stop spouting shite.

Geschreven door Brsjak, 02.02.2017 at 07:12

while Hillary literly said that 4 lives didnt matter.



it is easier to chose ignorace the truth

Im sure those 4 lives meant NOTHING to you until politics became involved.

If you honestly care about lives being lost you would have voted Hillary over Trump. Trump wants ground troops in Syria while Hillary just want continued airstrikes. It is unbelievable how you mock someone over 4 lives and ignore the fact someone else wants a repeat of
the war on terror. If troops are going into syria, it will be like Bush's war in iraq again.

Geschreven door Witch-Doctor, 02.02.2017 at 09:31

You're a bloody idiot if you think ww3 will start if Hillary got elected. On a global scale, nobody is stupid enough to recklessly declare war. There are things called diplomacy and negotiation that you fail to understand exists on the world scale

If you honestly think a no fly zone would cause ww3 just shut up and stop sharing your shite ideas.

When turkey shot down a russian jet, ww3 did not start. All that happened was some negotiation and diplomacy happened and an apology was given. Ww3 did not start when a NATO member shot down a russian jet, what makes you so sure people are so blindingly stupid to spark war over no fly zones.

Seriously stop spouting shite.

And you think you understand diplomacy and negotiations? Everything is happening behind the curtain, puclic does not become aware until its too late and rightfully so. ww1 started in a moment, for a pathetic excuse such as killing an austrian retard. We all know that when things escalate to a certain point, it works like a domino after that.

Its logically sound to presume that Hillarie's no fly zone, would endanger world peace and risk escalation to world war, without offering ZERO gains. All to loose, nothing to gain.

But yeah you can cri about Trump banning refugees, while never cried for Obama bombing the same countries these refugees are coming from.

Another pseudo-intellectual making banal criticisms of Trump we've all heard a million times already. Don't you people ever have any original thoughts? I mean, I could go down the list and point out the various holes in your "arguments" (really they're just clichéd talking points), but you seem too far gone to actually learn anything. I've found that once a person has spent months declaring that Trump is a Hitlerian psychopath, they can't really look at anything he's done objectively. There's too much personal ego on the line. It's either Trump really is the monster I've built up in my head or I'm a confirmed idiot. Guess which option more people run with?

Geschreven door Khal.eesi, 02.02.2017 at 09:49

And you think you understand diplomacy and negotiations? Everything is happening behind the curtain, puclic does not become aware until its too late and rightfully so. ww1 started in a moment, for a pathetic excuse such as killing an austrian retard. We all know that when things escalate to a certain point, it works like a domino after that.

Its logically sound to presume that Hillarie's no fly zone, would endanger world peace and risk escalation to world war, without offering ZERO gains. All to loose, nothing to gain.

But yeah you can cri about Trump banning refugees, while never cried for Obama bombing the same countries these refugees are coming from.

Nowdays politicans are not seeking execuses for wars like they did hundred years ago.

the only relevant guideline for us might be world war two, when nationalists did seek war and forced other nations who tried to avoid it into the war, but i don't think that nowdays there is a relevant nation with leader or government that feel they must have a war or think they it will pay off.

Geschreven door Brsjak, 02.02.2017 at 07:12

Hillary will enforce a no fly zone in Syria to stop russian jets flying...many generals said that will cause ww3 with russia

just google it + if u say past changes then why u talk about Trump bankrupcies there were only 4 of them.



while Hillary literly said that 4 lives didnt matter.



it is easier to chose ignorace the truth

Trump declared bankruptcy 3 times and NY State needed to use Obama's program money to save his ass.
Plus go to Atlantic City and ask people there if Trump is a good businessman.

Geschreven door Khal.eesi, 02.02.2017 at 09:49

Geschreven door Witch-Doctor, 02.02.2017 at 09:31

You're a bloody idiot if you think ww3 will start if Hillary got elected. On a global scale, nobody is stupid enough to recklessly declare war. There are things called diplomacy and negotiation that you fail to understand exists on the world scale

If you honestly think a no fly zone would cause ww3 just shut up and stop sharing your shite ideas.

When turkey shot down a russian jet, ww3 did not start. All that happened was some negotiation and diplomacy happened and an apology was given. Ww3 did not start when a NATO member shot down a russian jet, what makes you so sure people are so blindingly stupid to spark war over no fly zones.

Seriously stop spouting shite.

And you think you understand diplomacy and negotiations? Everything is happening behind the curtain, puclic does not become aware until its too late and rightfully so. ww1 started in a moment, for a pathetic excuse such as killing an austrian retard. We all know that when things escalate to a certain point, it works like a domino after that.

Its logically sound to presume that Hillarie's no fly zone, would endanger world peace and risk escalation to world war, without offering ZERO gains. All to loose, nothing to gain.

But yeah you can cri about Trump banning refugees, while never cried for Obama bombing the same countries these refugees are coming from.

And you think you understand diplomacy or negotiation? Do you think that your understanding that it happens behind closed doors is correct and the public knows nothing until it is too late is correct ? How can you not see the hypocracy of calling others out for not understanding foreign politics when you yourself most likely dont know about it either.

Also times changed, they didn't have weapons capable of destroying the entire world back during ww1. You honestly think in the age of technology, people still think like they do back in the early 20th century?

Obama bombing is simply to appeal the public desire to get vengeance for 9/11. People still have the KILL DEM TERRORIST mentality and I guarantee that if McCain had won he would also bomb the middle east considering that Bush was ALREADY BOMBING the middle east.

I dont see you die hard conservatives cry a tear for the people Bush bombed.
You just dont give a shit about the bombing, you only care about who is doing it.

It's funny when Hillary tried to suggest a no fly zone in order to protect civilians from bombing, people latch onto that and criticize it nonstop. You like to talk shit about obama bombing but when a democrat wants to stop bombings, oh noes it will start fucking ww3

Get out of your echo chamber.

Geschreven door Witch-Doctor, 02.02.2017 at 09:40

If you honestly care about lives being lost you would have voted Hillary over Trump. Trump wants ground troops in Syria while Hillary just want continued airstrikes. It is unbelievable how you mock someone over 4 lives and ignore the fact someone else wants a repeat of
the war on terror. If troops are going into syria, it will be like Bush's war in iraq again.

Do you even know what you are talking about? Like seriously if you dont even know half of the story, better listen instead of speaking.

Trump said it would take 30k troops to defeat ISIS in the M.E. but he has not commited to putting grond troops in the area. His friendly relationship with Putin and intent to work closely with Russia will mean first of all the end of cold war v2 and all that which entails and a more stabilised Syria and M.E. If Russia and USA have common goals and policies, that would mean end of conflicts in Ukraine, end to Turkey's rogue stance, united policy towards the Israel-Palestinian conflict and the end of ISIS. Hillary proposes the opposite, no fly zone means a continuation of conflict of interests with Russia, which in result means a continuation of funding terrorists, proxy wars and instability not only in the M.E. but in Europe aswell. Escalation to ww3 is only the cherry on top.

As for the war on Iraq top kek. Trump has always critised the war on Iraq, Hillary on the other hand VOTED IN FAVOUR of the war. She was an advocate on every single policy that led to the instability in the M.E.

Keep ignoring the facts and supporting a murderer puppet.

Geschreven door Witch-Doctor, 02.02.2017 at 10:02

Geschreven door Khal.eesi, 02.02.2017 at 09:49

Geschreven door Witch-Doctor, 02.02.2017 at 09:31

You're a bloody idiot if you think ww3 will start if Hillary got elected. On a global scale, nobody is stupid enough to recklessly declare war. There are things called diplomacy and negotiation that you fail to understand exists on the world scale

If you honestly think a no fly zone would cause ww3 just shut up and stop sharing your shite ideas.

When turkey shot down a russian jet, ww3 did not start. All that happened was some negotiation and diplomacy happened and an apology was given. Ww3 did not start when a NATO member shot down a russian jet, what makes you so sure people are so blindingly stupid to spark war over no fly zones.

Seriously stop spouting shite.

And you think you understand diplomacy and negotiations? Everything is happening behind the curtain, puclic does not become aware until its too late and rightfully so. ww1 started in a moment, for a pathetic excuse such as killing an austrian retard. We all know that when things escalate to a certain point, it works like a domino after that.

Its logically sound to presume that Hillarie's no fly zone, would endanger world peace and risk escalation to world war, without offering ZERO gains. All to loose, nothing to gain.

But yeah you can cri about Trump banning refugees, while never cried for Obama bombing the same countries these refugees are coming from.

And you think you understand diplomacy or negotiation? Do you think that your understanding that it happens behind closed doors is correct and the public knows nothing until it is too late is correct ? How can you not see the hypocracy of calling others out for not understanding foreign politics when you yourself most likely dont know about it either.

Also times changed, they didn't have weapons capable of destroying the entire world back during ww1. You honestly think in the age of technology, people still think like they do back in the early 20th century?

Obama bombing is simply to appeal the public desire to get vengeance for 9/11. People still have the KILL DEM TERRORIST mentality and I guarantee that if McCain had won he would also bomb the middle east considering that Bush was ALREADY BOMBING the middle east.

I dont see you die hard conservatives cry a tear for the people Bush bombed.
You just dont give a shit about the bombing, you only care about who is doing it.

It's funny when Hillary tried to suggest a no fly zone in order to protect civilians from bombing, people latch onto that and criticize it nonstop. You like to talk shit about obama bombing but when a democrat wants to stop bombings, oh noes it will start fucking ww3

Get out of your echo chamber.

Totally agreed.
Obama bombed with drones yes he did but you cant compare bomb terrorists/ cities occupied by terrorists and invading several countries like Bush or others did.
Bush invaded a stable dictatorship in Iraq and let the extremists take the country. The Invasion of Iraq is the cause of today's situation in Iraq.

Geschreven door Witch-Doctor, 02.02.2017 at 10:02

It's funny when Hillary tried to suggest a no fly zone in order to protect civilians from bombing, people latch onto that and criticize it nonstop. You like to talk shit about obama bombing but when a democrat wants to stop bombings, oh noes it will start fucking ww3

I'm starting to think you don't know what a no fly zone is. Hint: it doesn't mean the U.S would stop dropping bombs

Geschreven door Khal.eesi, 02.02.2017 at 10:07

Geschreven door Witch-Doctor, 02.02.2017 at 09:40

If you honestly care about lives being lost you would have voted Hillary over Trump. Trump wants ground troops in Syria while Hillary just want continued airstrikes. It is unbelievable how you mock someone over 4 lives and ignore the fact someone else wants a repeat of
the war on terror. If troops are going into syria, it will be like Bush's war in iraq again.

Do you even know what you are talking about? Like seriously if you dont even know half of the story, better listen instead of speaking.

Trump said it would take 30k troops to defeat ISIS in the M.E. but he has not commited to putting grond troops in the area. His friendly relationship with Putin and intent to work closely with Russia will mean first of all the end of cold war v2 and all that which entails and a more stabilised Syria and M.E. If Russia and USA have common goals and policies, that would mean end of conflicts in Ukraine, end to Turkey's rogue stance, united policy towards the Israel-Palestinian conflict and the end of ISIS. Hillary proposes the opposite, no fly zone means a continuation of conflict of interests with Russia, which in result means a continuation of funding terrorists, proxy wars and instability not only in the M.E. but in Europe aswell. Escalation to ww3 is only the cherry on top.

As for the war on Iraq top kek. Trump has always critised the war on Iraq, Hillary on the other hand VOTED IN FAVOUR of the war. She was an advocate on every single policy that led to the instability in the M.E.

Keep ignoring the facts and supporting a murderer puppet.

Trump is destroying strong alliances like with Australia and Europe.
He is provocating China which is hundred times much more powerful than Russia.
Thanks to his politics in just 1 month China has a chance to be the n1 power in the world.
Ending conflicts in Ukraine? You dont know a shit about Ukraine.
If USA would let invade any country to Russia, USSR would never dissapeared.
Trump was, is and it will be one of the worst errors of the USA society in the last decades.
And in few months you will see the first effects.

Geschreven door Acquiesce, 02.02.2017 at 10:09

Geschreven door Witch-Doctor, 02.02.2017 at 10:02

It's funny when Hillary tried to suggest a no fly zone in order to protect civilians from bombing, people latch onto that and criticize it nonstop. You like to talk shit about obama bombing but when a democrat wants to stop bombings, oh noes it will start fucking ww3

I'm starting to think you don't know what a no fly zone is. Hint: it doesn't mean the U.S would stop dropping bombs

Hint it stops or at the very least hinders russians and syrians from dropping bombs.

YOUR LOVELY TRUMPIE EXPOSED BITCHES:

Geschreven door Khal.eesi, 02.02.2017 at 10:07

Geschreven door Witch-Doctor, 02.02.2017 at 09:40

If you honestly care about lives being lost you would have voted Hillary over Trump. Trump wants ground troops in Syria while Hillary just want continued airstrikes. It is unbelievable how you mock someone over 4 lives and ignore the fact someone else wants a repeat of
the war on terror. If troops are going into syria, it will be like Bush's war in iraq again.

Trump said it would take 30k troops to defeat ISIS in the M.E. but he has not commited to putting grond troops in the area. His friendly relationship with Putin and intent to work closely with Russia will mean first of all the end of cold war v2 and all that which entails and a more stabilised Syria and M.E. If Russia and USA have common goals and policies, that would mean end of conflicts in Ukraine, end to Turkey's rogue stance, united policy towards the Israel-Palestinian conflict and the end of ISIS. Hillary proposes the opposite, no fly zone means a continuation of conflict of interests with Russia, which in result means a continuation of funding terrorists, proxy wars and instability not only in the M.E. but in Europe aswell. Escalation to ww3 is only the cherry on top.

As for the war on Iraq top kek. Trump has always critised the war on Iraq, Hillary on the other hand VOTED IN FAVOUR of the war. She was an advocate on every single policy that led to the instability in the M.E.

Keep ignoring the facts and supporting a murderer puppet.

Citations please

Geschreven door Witch-Doctor, 02.02.2017 at 10:17

Citations please

For which part? Most of it can be confirmed with a 30 seconds google search

Geschreven door Free_Warrior, 02.02.2017 at 10:01

Geschreven door Brsjak, 02.02.2017 at 07:12

Hillary will enforce a no fly zone in Syria to stop russian jets flying...many generals said that will cause ww3 with russia

just google it + if u say past changes then why u talk about Trump bankrupcies there were only 4 of them.



while Hillary literly said that 4 lives didnt matter.



it is easier to chose ignorace the truth

Trump declared bankruptcy 3 times and NY State needed to use Obama's program money to save his ass.
Plus go to Atlantic City and ask people there if Trump is a good businessman.

Go to california and see are democtrats a good politician system trump

he had a small loan of 1mil dollars he made them into 3.7 billion

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Geschreven door Brsjak, 02.02.2017 at 07:20

Trump's agenda is wrong and flawed, and all that's left now is a psychopath with such a distorted view of reality that it's scary af. So unless we get him impeached ASAP, we're
going to all end up dead.

if hillary got elected i whould exept a nuclear war the biggest theart to america was hillarys foreign policy

You joking right?

Geschreven door Free_Warrior, 02.02.2017 at 10:12

Trump is destroying strong alliances like with Australia and Europe.

Factually incorect

Geschreven door Free_Warrior, 02.02.2017 at 10:12

He is provocating China which is hundred times much more powerful than Russia.
Thanks to his politics in just 1 month China has a chance to be the n1 power in the world.

Also factually incorrect on both counts. China is a big bubble, strength in paper. She will fall on herself.

Geschreven door Free_Warrior, 02.02.2017 at 10:12

Ending conflicts in Ukraine? You dont know a shit about Ukraine.

I know enough to conclude by basic logic, that neoliberal agenda makes it so that USA and Europe only intervene in a foreign's country politics when it suit their interests. Double standard is horrible, helping nazis in Ukraine, terrorists in Kosovo, illegal occupation of Cyprus in Turkey, Saudi Arabia funding terrorists worldwide and etc etc

Geschreven door Free_Warrior, 02.02.2017 at 10:12

If USA would let invade any country to Russia, USSR would never dissapeared.

Not aware of history much? Read up on USA's intervention in South America, Balkans, SE Asia and the Middle East. Cold war was not as simple as USSR bad USA good, if your grasp of geopolitics is that of a 10 year old, you ll get treaded like one.

Geschreven door Free_Warrior, 02.02.2017 at 10:12

Trump was, is and it will be one of the worst errors of the USA society in the last decades.
And in few months you will see the first effects.

Empty assumptions, fearmongering, supported by feelings and not facts and only serve to divide a nation and the whole planet and to refuse a legitimately elected President of his chance to lead. Ok we hear you toddler, go play in the sand now.

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Geschreven door Black Swans, 02.02.2017 at 10:23

Geschreven door Brsjak, 02.02.2017 at 07:20

Trump's agenda is wrong and flawed, and all that's left now is a psychopath with such a distorted view of reality that it's scary af. So unless we get him impeached ASAP, we're
going to all end up dead.

if hillary got elected i whould exept a nuclear war the biggest theart to america was hillarys foreign policy

You joking right?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwju-cLk6fHRAhXDVRQKHYiYDIAQuAIIIzAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DfmE9Jj-rEVs&usg=AFQjCNHzs_jSsg-bqdwTu1OxPbHOdIaNbw&bvm=bv.146073913,d.d24

i think a usa general knows more about the current situation...

Geschreven door Acquiesce, 02.02.2017 at 10:22

Geschreven door Witch-Doctor, 02.02.2017 at 10:17

Citations please

For which part? Most of it can be confirmed with a 30 seconds google search

Lets start with how a no fly zone result in funding of terrorist.

Lets not forget what this thread is about. People are trying to discredit the points against Trump by insulting the losing candidate.

Hint: You cant defend the current candidate's shit policies by criticizing someone else's shit policies. You're only misdirecting the conversation away from Trump

Geschreven door Witch-Doctor, 02.02.2017 at 10:25

Geschreven door Acquiesce, 02.02.2017 at 10:22

Geschreven door Witch-Doctor, 02.02.2017 at 10:17

Citations please

For which part? Most of it can be confirmed with a 30 seconds google search

Lets start with how a no fly zone result in funding of terrorist.

Lets not forget what this thread is about. People are trying to discredit the points against Trump by insulting the losing candidate.

Hint: You cant defend the current candidate's shit policies by criticizing someone else's shit policies. You're only misdirecting the conversation away from Trump

This

Geschreven door Witch-Doctor, 02.02.2017 at 10:25

Lets start with how a no fly zone result in funding of terrorist.

Lets not forget what this thread is about. People are trying to discredit the points against Trump by insulting the losing candidate.

Hint: You cant defend the current candidate's shit policies by criticizing someone else's shit policies. You're only misdirecting the conversation away from Trump

If Hillary was president she would have most likely continued Obama's foreign policy in Syria with a more hawkish attitude. That means arming "Syrian rebels" (radical Islamists). This is consistent with her regime change policy as state secretary in Libya and with her vote for the war in Iraq. Trump on the other hand has said he's more likely to work with Putin who is in a clear alliance with the democratically elected president Assad. So with Trump we get no no-fly zone and no arming/funding terrorists. Next?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-signs-bill-to-arm-and-train-syrian-rebels/
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-putin-talk-agree-mend-ties-cooperate-syria-549580

Geschreven door Free_Warrior, 02.02.2017 at 10:01

Plus go to Atlantic City and ask people there if Trump is a good businessman.

Trump has nothing to do with Atlantic City's shitty condition, the city is a pit because of it's high black population and the fact that no one wants to go there because the beaches are so dirty, if you'd ever been there you would realize this