Views on Multiculturalism?

0 whites migrating to the 3rd world
999+ migrants coming to the European countries

How does it end?

Watch out, all the far left mods are gonna lock this thread.

Multiculturism is fine. Too many people think it means "violent outsiders" coming in, but it really just means people who happen to have different cultures coming together and combining them. Completing harmless; no need for xenophobia.

Geschreven door Player 999, 19.03.2019 at 13:23

Multiculturism is fine. Too many people think it means "violent outsiders" coming in, but it really just means people who happen to have different cultures coming together and combining them. Completing harmless; no need for xenophobia.

Is it a good prospect, that Germans will probably be a minority in Germany in ~80 years?

My opinion on multiculturalism is, that it is fine to have a certain amount of foreigners within ones country, but that the amount of foreigner and foreigner descendant population should never rise above 5-10% of our population, because then the very nature of my country, which is one of the best countries to live in is threatened, and I don't want to live in a Germany slowly corroding into Somalia.

Geschreven door Tirpitz406, 19.03.2019 at 13:25

Is it a good prospect, that Germans will probably be a minority in Germany in ~80 years?

My opinion on multiculturalism is, that it is fine to have a certain amount of foreigners within ones country, but that the amount of foreigner and foreigner descendant population should never rise above 5-10% of our population, because then the very nature of my country, which is one of the best countries to live in is threatened, and I don't want to live in a Germany slowly corroding into Somalia.

Yes it is good to have foreigners. I guess the main issue people may have with blocking foreigners is because of the connotation of racism. Regardless, as long as people are not being excluded because of race/ethnicity, but are being excluded because of low education, lack of benefit to economy etc I suppose it is fine. Germany can keep whatever cultural values it wants as long as people aren't being discriminated against and perfectly intelligent/skilled immigrants aren't being rejected in favor of people who happen to be light skinned. There should be equal opportunity and also cultural integration. It's just that sometimes that whole argument is sometimes hijacked by people who may have an ulterior motive to blocking foreigners. But as long as it is done to help the entire country move forward it is a good thing.

Geschreven door Tirpitz406, 19.03.2019 at 13:25

Geschreven door Player 999, 19.03.2019 at 13:23

Multiculturism is fine. Too many people think it means "violent outsiders" coming in, but it really just means people who happen to have different cultures coming together and combining them. Completing harmless; no need for xenophobia.

Is it a good prospect, that Germans will probably be a minority in Germany in ~80 years?

My opinion on multiculturalism is, that it is fine to have a certain amount of foreigners within ones country, but that the amount of foreigner and foreigner descendant population should never rise above 5-10% of our population, because then the very nature of my country, which is one of the best countries to live in is threatened, and I don't want to live in a Germany slowly corroding into Somalia.

Oh, this reminds me of a small German poem:

"Ein Galgen, ein Strick,
Ein Nazigenick."

What does it mean?

Watch this video for your answer.

Geschreven door Columna Durruti, 19.03.2019 at 14:07

Oh, this reminds me of a small German poem:

"Ein Galgen, ein Strick,
Ein Nazigenick."

What does it mean?

Do you realize what you're doing here? Let me rephrase that poem, so that it says the same thing, but from my perspective, about someone else, maybe then you realize, what you are even saying.

"Kill, a nigger,
make our gdp bigger"

You are dehumanising your opponents, by calling them nazis, and justify in that way in your mind the killing of your opponents. You also actively call for the killing of a person or a group, which is an illegal act in most countries.

Did the shitty poem I wrote offend you? Well it should, but where is it worse than what you wrote? You called for the killing of a certain group, I did the same, and both is obviously wrong.

Only Tunder and 4nic's posts were removed?

Geschreven door Tirpitz406, 19.03.2019 at 15:39

Geschreven door Columna Durruti, 19.03.2019 at 14:07

Oh, this reminds me of a small German poem:

"Ein Galgen, ein Strick,
Ein Nazigenick."

What does it mean?

Do you realize what you're doing here? Let me rephrase that poem, so that it says the same thing, but from my perspective, about someone else, maybe then you realize, what you are even saying.

"Kill, a nigger,
make our gdp bigger"

You are dehumanising your opponents, by calling them nazis, and justify in that way in your mind the killing of your opponents. You also actively call for the killing of a person or a group, which is an illegal act in most countries.

Did the shitty poem I wrote offend you? Well it should, but where is it worse than what you wrote? You called for the killing of a certain group, I did the same, and both is obviously wrong.

whats wrong with getting rid of nazis.

Geschreven door boywind2, 19.03.2019 at 16:12

whats wrong with getting rid of nazis.

Nazis said the same thing about jews.

It's an old trick:

1) Hitler didn't like jews, so
2) he convinced people that jews were to blame for everything wrong in life
3) people started to really believe jews are "evil"
4) all of sudden they think its okay to "get rid of" jews. Next thing you know, holocaust.

Today we see leftists doing the same thing against conservatives:

1) leftists don't like conservatives, so
2) convince the people through 24/7 media coverage how conservatives are "racist", "misogynist", "deplorable", etc
3) start calling right-leaning people nazis because we dislike them so much
4) now its okay to "get rid of" right-wingers because they're nazis. Next thing is what, kill the half of the population who leans right?

Geschreven door Dave, 19.03.2019 at 16:36

Today we see leftists doing the same thing against conservatives:

1) leftists don't like conservatives, so
2) convince the people through 24/7 media coverage how conservatives are "racist", "misogynist", "deplorable", etc
3) start calling right-leaning people nazis because we dislike them so much
4) now its okay to "get rid of" right-wingers because they're nazis. Next thing is what, kill the half of the population who leans right?

Come on, people are only against the far-right, who actually advocate for white nationalism etc xD. No one is against your average republican, who has good morals and believes that all people are equal regardless of race/ethnicity. Even if someone voted for Trump that's fine as long as they didn't do so for racist/white nationalistic reasons etc. Plenty of decent people voted for him for economic/moral/religious/policy reasons etc.

As for the far-right, even on atwar itself you can see some people who happen to lean far-right (Tunder3/4nic). The far-right are the bad ones, not the moderate or centrist right. Those two people made some extremely racist comments on some threads in offtopic, and you can fully see how deranged their belief systems are. Those are the people the media talks about as racist and deplorable, and rightfully so. It's not saying that you or any other decent, empathy-having republican is bad. Just that extremist and racist elements of the right are bad (which make up maybe 5% of the right at most). I'm sure you can agree that the far-right is a bad thing, with people who are mostly unhinged and hateful.

And no one is talking about killing the right. However, you can see a vast amount of far-right people who advocate for mass-killings of minorities, members of certain religions, etc. Far-right terrorism has been responsible for the vast majority of political terrorism in the US and other countries in recent years. The left isn't demonizing mere members of the right, and definitely isn't pushing for any killing. The left didn't kill 50 people in New Zealand, that terror attack was done by a member of the far-right (albeit in Australia).

Of course if it has been your experience that you've been persecuted for your political views in any localities you've lived in, that persecution is a bad thing and I apologize for anyone who has done that. People are eager to make sure that the racism/oppression that was prevalent in the early days of the western world is cracked down on, and in the process they might have inadvertently demonize the innocent such as yourself. That over-stepping to the "other side of the pendulum" is of course bad, and may alienate people who are good, decent people but just believe in a different political way of ensuring that our country remains a great place to live for all people in it.

Geschreven door Dave, 19.03.2019 at 16:36

Geschreven door boywind2, 19.03.2019 at 16:12

whats wrong with getting rid of nazis.

Nazis said the same thing about jews.

It's an old trick:

1) Hitler didn't like jews, so
2) he convinced people that jews were to blame for everything wrong in life
3) people started to really believe jews are "evil"
4) all of sudden they think its okay to "get rid of" jews. Next thing you know, holocaust.

Today we see leftists doing the same thing against conservatives:

1) leftists don't like conservatives, so
2) convince the people through 24/7 media coverage how conservatives are "racist", "misogynist", "deplorable", etc
3) start calling right-leaning people nazis because we dislike them so much
4) now its okay to "get rid of" right-wingers because they're nazis. Next thing is what, kill the half of the population who leans right?

oh come on, left and right always spew shit at each other. i can the same thing and say that right wingers convince the people into believing that leftists are commies and degenerates.
why can't i denounce nazi ideas like ethnostates or scientific racism which is exactly what tripitz supports.
if you believe in these ideas, you shouldn't play the victim card when you are called a nazi.

Geschreven door boywind2, 19.03.2019 at 17:31

oh come on, left and right always spew shit at each other. i can the same thing and say that right wingers convince the people into believing that leftists are commies and degenerates.
why can't i denounce nazi ideas like ethnostates or scientific racism which is exactly what tripitz supports.
if you believe in these ideas, you shouldn't play the victim card when you are called a nazi.

I agree. Tolerating the intolerant will only lead to intolerant, nazi-ish beliefs becoming accepted. We need to stamp out neo-nazism and scientifism racism from where it is spread. All people are equal and we cannot allow racists to tarnish the God-Given truth that all people deserve humanity.

Geschreven door Tirpitz406, 19.03.2019 at 15:39

Bro if you think someone telling Nazis (the people who literally murdered 11 million in the holocaust and 20 million more soviets) to go away is offensive, then it says a lot about you that you identify with the nazis. Is telling mass murderers that they are not wanted somehow bad? Which kind of logical loopholes are you even jumping through right now?

Geschreven door Player 999, 19.03.2019 at 17:38

Geschreven door Tirpitz406, 19.03.2019 at 15:39

Bro if you think someone telling Nazis (the people who literally murdered 11 million in the holocaust and 20 million more soviets) to go away is offensive, then it says a lot about you that you identify with the nazis. Is telling mass murderers that they are not wanted somehow bad? Which kind of logical loopholes are you even jumping through right now?

Nobody is defending nazis here. Of course nazis were evil.

The point I was trying to make is that leftists today are using the same tactics the nazis used during their early rise to power. And the great historical irony is, they don't even realize they are doing it.

I wish I had your confidence that this is only about the fringe right, and won't keep going until it effects everyday people. My big concern is that it won't ever stop.

Geschreven door Player 999, 19.03.2019 at 17:38

Geschreven door Tirpitz406, 19.03.2019 at 15:39

Bro if you think someone telling Nazis (the people who literally murdered 11 million in the holocaust and 20 million more soviets) to go away is offensive, then it says a lot about you that you identify with the nazis. Is telling mass murderers that they are not wanted somehow bad? Which kind of logical loopholes are you even jumping through right now?

As a complete utter leftist, you should really know, that your media has called everyone a Nazi. The kinds of people who are considered nazis by people is literally everyone. Conservatives call liberals Nazis, liberals call Conservatives nazis. If you agree with CD here, you're basically saying, that it is okay to incite mass murder against anyone that anyone else calls a Nazi, which is to say, everyone. To underline my point, consider my position, which CD apparently thinks is "Nazi". My position is, that Britain should stay majority British, you know who agreed with me on this? The US generals, and Winston Churchill. I have the opinions of the people who DEFEATED THE NAZIS, THEREFOR I AM A NAZI. I hope you realize how absurd the idea is, that violence against whatever people currently consider "Nazis" is okay.

Geschreven door boywind2, 19.03.2019 at 17:31

why can't i denounce nazi ideas like ethnostates or scientific racism which is exactly what tripitz supports.

Do you denounce Israel? A state, that is designed to stay majority Jewish, and that is implementing policies to increase Jewish birthrates and keep Israel Jewish? I don't want to harm anyone, I simply don't want to die out. Jews have the right to not die out, but it's the same for everyone. Whites have the right to prevent their own extinction.

Tell me, what is the offence I commit in your eyes? Is wanting to not die out racist? Is Israel racist?

Geschreven door Tirpitz406, 19.03.2019 at 18:42

Tell me, what is the offence I commit in your eyes? Is wanting to not die out racist? Is Israel racist?

Churchill commited a genocide against India by causing the Bengal Famine, which killed over 2 million people. And people back then tended to be racist. What kind of fucking is it to justify racism by trying to say that people back then would have agreed with it? So would have Hitler; after all he would have loved your views if he happened to come back today. Also FDR incidentally also supported the Morgenthau Plan (until he was outvoted by Stalin/Churchill), which would have led to your country remaining a third world country to this day; is his support of the plan something that you agree just because he happened to defeat the nazis?

I see nothing wrong in killing real nazis. Notice I said real nazis, not just people who have been called nazis. The real nazis killed over 30 million people and we the people of the US army, combined with the Soviet, British, and Commonwealth armies, had to kill around 5 million Nazi soldiers until they would stop their mass genocides. So there is nothing wrong with killing real nazis.

Also very ironic that you are using the example of Israel. Israel's people, who are predominantly Jewish, suffered an actual genocide by your country during WW2, if you recall. So they had to have a safe place to live that wasn't in Europe. Germans have faced nothing of the sort, and are prospering in Germany as we speak. There's been little to none anti-german sentiment in Europe, and Germans are safe nearly anywhere.

You're not going to fuck die out, when will you and other supporters of the fake "white genocide theory" stop with that disproven notion? European birthrates are falling because people aren't having babies, due to high quality of life. The same is happening in Japan, China, North America, the rich oil countries, and in parts of South India and in the wealthier parts of South America. Falling birthrates is what naturally happens as a population gets its basic needs met, women get more rights, and people get more education. Even immigrants will have less babies as they integrate and become wealthy. You don't get the right to kick out or stop people from other races immigrating to the country you happen to have been born in because you fail to understand basic demographic trends. I swear white nationalists are some of the most ignorant and deliberately fact-ignoring people that exist. Really sad that these disproven arguments are being used to manipulate people to support blatantly evil agendas. You should really open your mind more and listen to evidence; you're still 19 and young and I'm not sure which sources have manipulated you. Find a better hill to die on and get some respect for your fellow human beings.

You're using so many logical fallacies in your arguments and they are based on completely misinterpreted or even false statistics. I really pity that ideas like the ones you are espousing exist. The next generation of uneducated kids may see them and believe in them due to their lack of critical thinking. Sad, really.

Geschreven door Dave, 19.03.2019 at 18:09

I wish I had your confidence that this is only about the fringe right, and won't keep going until it effects everyday people. My big concern is that it won't ever stop.

No one's going to start mass killing people of a political party lol. And the apparent dominance of left-leaning views may be because you are in California and in an urban area. If you come into a rural area you'll see a serious domination of right-leaning views.

And even in the 0.00000001% chance that it were to occur, it turns out that mostly right-leaning people in the US have the guns anyways lol. So you're safe either way.

Geschreven door Player 999, 19.03.2019 at 19:25

Churchill commited a genocide against India by causing the Bengal Famine, which killed over 2 million people. And people back then tended to be racist. What kind of fucking is it to justify racism by trying to say that people back then would have agreed with it? So would have Hitler; after all he would have loved your views if he happened to come back today. Also FDR incidentally also supported the Morgenthau Plan (until he was outvoted by Stalin/Churchill), which would have led to your country remaining a third world country to this day; is his support of the plan something that you agree just because he happened to defeat the nazis?

Of course I don't agree on everything with Winston Churchill, and I don't agree with everything that FDR said. My stance on immigration is why CD called me a nazi, and I simply pointed out, that I have the same opinions on immigration as the people who defeated the Nazis had, so calling me a Nazi is proof, that you can call both the Nazis and the people opposed to the Nazis Nazis, therefor, calling for violence against such a ill-defined group is really, really bad, because by that token you call for violence against anyone you don't like.

Regarding the Bengal famine, I suggest you simply read the "debate about causes" on Wikipedia instead of parroting talking points about "Churchill bad", actual historians regard the matter as really complicated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943#Debate_about_causes

Geschreven door Player 999, 19.03.2019 at 19:25

I see nothing wrong in killing real nazis. Notice I said real nazis, not just people who have been called nazis. The real nazis killed over 30 million people and we the people of the US army, combined with the Soviet, British, and Commonwealth armies, had to kill around 5 million Nazi soldiers until they would stop their mass genocides. So there is nothing wrong with killing real nazis.

Aight, then I suppose you see nothing wrong with killing Antifas. Stalin killed somewhere north of 20 million people and only his death stopped him from killing far more, same for Mao, he was incredibly brutal. Lot's of Antifas actually want a socialist regime like Stalins', so killing them is justifiable, correct? Oh, and also, I can defame you as a Socialist, because you vaguely believe in the same things as some Antifas, I have now justified killing you, because you want something somehow related to what Stalin did. Is it also okay to kill Neocons who want to bomb the middle east? Is it okay to kill Hillary Clinton, because of how many people she killed in the middle east with her foreign policy?

How about we simply don't kill people for having the wrong thoughts?

Geschreven door Player 999, 19.03.2019 at 19:25

Also very ironic that you are using the example of Israel. Israel's people, who are predominantly Jewish, suffered an actual genocide by your country during WW2, if you recall. So they had to have a safe place to live that wasn't in Europe. Germans have faced nothing of the sort, and are prospering in Germany as we speak. There's been little to none anti-german sentiment in Europe, and Germans are safe nearly anywhere.

Yes, there are no places that are unsafe for Germans in Germany, except for the places that are majority muslim. There are no places with anti-German sentiment, except for the school I went to, where "Alman" (Turkish for German) and "Jude" (Jew) became insults commonly used by Muslim kids, yea, sure, you are clearly all knowing about my country. I assume you believe, that there isn't any anti-white sentiment in downtown Detroit either? Wanna go down there and shop a little, in a beautiful, diverse and vibrant neighbourhood?

Geschreven door Player 999, 19.03.2019 at 19:25

You're not going to fuck die out, when will you and other supporters of the fake "white genocide theory" stop with that disproven notion? European birthrates are falling because people aren't having babies, due to high quality of life. The same is happening in Japan, China, North America, the rich oil countries, and in parts of South India and in the wealthier parts of South America. Falling birthrates is what naturally happens as a population gets its basic needs met, women get more rights, and people get more education. Even immigrants will have less babies as they integrate and become wealthy. You don't get the right to kick out or stop people from other races immigrating to the country you happen to have been born in because you fail to understand basic demographic trends.

Okay, so the amount of Germans in Germany is falling, it was at 99% about 60 years ago, but it's around 80% today. The amount of foreigners living in Germany increases while the amount of Germans decreases. With any trend that includes continuing migration at similar levels as we had before, so ~370 000 per year, will mean, that Germans are going to be a minority in Germany in 50 Years. It doesn't matter if their birthrates fall a little, as long as we keep bringing in this massive level of migration, we will become a minority here. But you don't have a problem with that I assume, so I'll ask you this: when is it okay to be upset? When Germans are 50% of the population of Germany? When Germans don't control politics in their own country anymore? When Germans are 20%? 10%? 1%? When is it okay to be upset and call for less migration? This is not a theory, this is a simple reality of the trends we currently have, trends, that unless we change policy, will simply continue.

There are rich first world countries with birthrates above replacement level. For example: Israel. They have policies and a culture that promote having children, and I believe we should have the same. Is that racist? Secondly, why can't we prevent migration? Is there any evil in that? Do you believe locking the door of the house you live in is evil? Do you believe kicking out somebody who illegally entered your house is wrong, or racist? Even if they give you money, and make you richer, is it wrong to not want to live with them?

Geschreven door Tirpitz406, 19.03.2019 at 20:14

How about we simply don't kill people for having the wrong thoughts?

Yes, there are no places that are unsafe for Germans in Germany, except for the places that are majority muslim. There are no places with anti-German sentiment, except for the school I went to, where "Alman" (Turkish for German) and "Jude" (Jew) became insults commonly used by Muslim kids, yea, sure, you are clearly all knowing about my country.

Okay, so the amount of Germans in Germany is falling, it was at 99% about 60 years ago, but it's around 80% today. The amount of foreigners living in Germany increases while the amount of Germans decreases. With any trend that includes continuing migration at similar levels as we had before, so ~370 000 per year, will mean, that Germans are going to be a minority in Germany in 50 Years. It doesn't matter if their birthrates fall a little, as long as we keep bringing in this massive level of migration, we will become a minority here. But you don't have a problem with that I assume, so I'll ask you this: when is it okay to be upset? When Germans are 50% of the population of Germany? When Germans don't control politics in their own country anymore? When Germans are 20%? 10%? 1%? When is it okay to be upset and call for less migration? This is not a theory, this is a simple reality of the trends we currently have, trends, that unless we change policy, will simply continue.

There are rich first world countries with birthrates above replacement level. For example: Israel. They have policies and a culture that promote having children, and I believe we should have the same. Is that racist? Secondly, why can't we prevent migration? Is there any evil in that? Do you believe locking the door of the house you live in is evil? Do you believe kicking out somebody who illegally entered your house is wrong, or racist? Even if they give you money, and make you richer, is it wrong to not want to live with them?

I'm talking about the actual nazis lol, not edgy kids nowadays who pick up white nationalism. The nazis of course were killed rightfully during WW2. Let's not argue with that. And regardless of the different factors involved, Churchill was primarily responsible for the Bengal Famine for causing those different factors you can see. But that's beside the point.

Call the cops or talk to authority figures if you're feeling unsafe in a certain neighorhood or school lmao. Do you really need to kick out literally everyone else from your country because of one bad neighborhood? And if you are saying that calling cops/talking to authority figures won't help, how do you think ethnic minorities feel in Germany? Especially with the rise of white nationalistic rhetoric in Germany nowadays.

Current migration is due to the refugee situation in Syria. When it stabilizes, many refugees will go back. The most skilled refugees will probably stay in Germany and integrate into Germany. Are you saying they can't eventually become German? Are you basing Germanness based on skin color or cultural integration? If someone is contributing to Germany economically and is law-abiding/culturally integrating, let them stay. They have become German by that point. Just like American immigrants are American once they receive permanent residency/citizenship, immigrants can become German once they integrate. What's wrong with that? Do they need some unbroken bloodline back from the time of Germania? Their kids will grow up speaking German and immersed in German culture anyways. Identical to any other German kid except for dna and maybe skin color. So your argument seems to reek of racism.

Don't worry about Germans becoming a "minority". The refugees will go back once the situation is secure. And due to integration, every migrant will become German eventually. Unless you're just too racist to accept that people from another part of the world can become citizens?

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with promoting having children lol. Feel free to have as many as you want, no one is stopping you. And restrict migration to Germany except for highly skilled people etc. But don't do it because of racism. Literally every post you have made on this website points to you having racism as the core principle behind your anti-immigration idea. And that is not ok and not a valid rationale for it. You have a severe ulterior motive behind all of anti-immigration and that leads to you not being a reliable person to listen to when determining these matters.

Geschreven door Player 999, 19.03.2019 at 20:55

Call the cops or talk to authority figures if you're feeling unsafe in a certain neighorhood or school lmao. Do you really need to kick out literally everyone else from your country because of one bad neighborhood? And if you are saying that calling cops/talking to authority figures won't help, how do you think ethnic minorities feel in Germany? Especially with the rise of white nationalistic rhetoric in Germany nowadays.

Current migration is due to the refugee situation in Syria. When it stabilizes, many refugees will go back. The most skilled refugees will probably stay in Germany and integrate into Germany. Are you saying they can't eventually become German? Are you basing Germanness based on skin color or cultural integration? If someone is contributing to Germany economically and is law-abiding/culturally integrating, let them stay. They have become German by that point. Just like American immigrants are American once they receive permanent residency/citizenship, immigrants can become German once they integrate. What's wrong with that? Do they need some unbroken bloodline back from the time of Germania? Their kids will grow up speaking German and immersed in German culture anyways. Identical to any other German kid except for dna and maybe skin color. So your argument seems to reek of racism.

You have a lot of preconceived notions about Germany, that simply aren't true. Stop trying to lecture me about how my country allegedly is. First of all, the average net migration between 1990 and 2014, so before the migrant crisis is somewhere above 200 000 per year, and if you project the current demographics with 200 000 people coming in per year, Germany will be 50% German by 2100. I live in Frankfurt, a city that is by now, minority German. I get it, you believe Turks and other Muslims integrate and whatever, but that is simply not true. I've lived among them my entire life, and maybe, 10% integrate. Besides those, almost all muslims I have met speak broken German, even second or third generation Muslims. They have a tendency to get into fights over their strange conception of honour, and they are terrible in school. The crime data supports these personal observations. Usually they don't conceive of themselves as German either, as I said, they use the Turkish word for German as an insult. You think it's merely a few parts perhaps, but it's all majority muslim areas that are bad, and really dangerous to walk through as a Jew for example. Jews are a historical part of our nation and espcially Frankfurt, my hometown, but we have a growing proportion of the population who would detest them. Even the better integrated ones still have higher crimerates and lower incomes, and thus pay fewer taxes. They simply do not contribute to our nation. There is one population in Germany, that does somewhat integrate, it's East Asians. But from my personal experience, that aligns with US data, these Asians still think quite differently from Europeans. It's not that I don't like these people, but I just want to live in a country that is like Germany and not like Japan, or Iran, or Turkey or Nigeria, or a mixture of these. I want Germany to stay Germany, and I do not understand why you believe, that that is wrong.

Geschreven door Player 999, 19.03.2019 at 20:55

Don't worry about Germans becoming a "minority". The refugees will go back once the situation is secure. And due to integration, every migrant will become German eventually. Unless you're just too racist to accept that people from another part of the world can become citizens?

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with promoting having children lol. Feel free to have as many as you want, no one is stopping you. And restrict migration to Germany except for highly skilled people etc. But don't do it because of racism. Literally every post you have made on this website points to you having racism as the core principle behind your anti-immigration idea. And that is not ok and not a valid rationale for it. You have a severe ulterior motive behind all of anti-immigration and that leads to you not being a reliable person to listen to when determining these matters.

As explained above, these people do not "become Germans" they become Syrians who grew up in Germany, speak broken German, work low skilled jobs and conceive of themselves as Syrians and Muslims. If they don't integrate by the third generation, then I don't think they ever will. You're engaging in wishful thinking. But I can't blame you, I used to believe the same thing, but none of my migrant friends ever said they conceived of themselves as Germans when I asked them.

Okay, since apparently you believe "racism" to be an evil unto itself, please explain to me, why is racism wrong, when, humans for example have ingroup preferences for their own races from the point they are born, and secondly, please define racism. I've never seen anyone do an adequate job of it. I like people who think and act like myself. Those people are all Germans. Why wouldn't I want people like myself to exist in the future? What is wrong about that?

Geschreven door Tirpitz406, 19.03.2019 at 21:22

You have a lot of preconceived notions about Germany, that simply aren't true. Stop trying to lecture me about how my country allegedly is. First of all, the average net migration between 1990 and 2014, so before the migrant crisis is somewhere above 200 000 per year, and if you project the current demographics with 200 000 people coming in per year, Germany will be 50% German by 2100. I live in Frankfurt, a city that is by now, minority German. I get it, you believe Turks and other Muslims integrate and whatever, but that is simply not true. I've lived among them my entire life, and maybe, 10% integrate. Besides those, almost all muslims I have met speak broken German, even second or third generation Muslims. They have a tendency to get into fights over their strange conception of honour, and they are terrible in school. The crime data supports these personal observations. Usually they don't conceive of themselves as German either, as I said, they use the Turkish word for German as an insult. You think it's merely a few parts perhaps, but it's all majority muslim areas that are bad, and really dangerous to walk through as a Jew for example. Jews are a historical part of our nation and espcially Frankfurt, my hometown, but we have a growing proportion of the population who would detest them. Even the better integrated ones still have higher crimerates and lower incomes, and thus pay fewer taxes. They simply do not contribute to our nation. There is one population in Germany, that does somewhat integrate, it's East Asians. But from my personal experience, that aligns with US data, these Asians still think quite differently from Europeans. It's not that I don't like these people, but I just want to live in a country that is like Germany and not like Japan, or Iran, or Turkey or Nigeria, or a mixture of these. I want Germany to stay Germany, and I do not understand why you believe, that that is wrong.

As explained above, these people do not "become Germans" they become Syrians who grew up in Germany, speak broken German, work low skilled jobs and conceive of themselves as Syrians and Muslims. If they don't integrate by the third generation, then I don't think they ever will. You're engaging in wishful thinking. But I can't blame you, I used to believe the same thing, but none of my migrant friends ever said they conceived of themselves as Germans when I asked them.

Okay, since apparently you believe "racism" to be an evil unto itself, please explain to me, why is racism wrong, when, humans for example have ingroup preferences for their own races from the point they are born, and secondly, please define racism. I've never seen anyone do an adequate job of it. I like people who think and act like myself. Those people are all Germans. Why wouldn't I want people like myself to exist in the future? What is wrong about that?

True I guess non-integration is an issue. I of course don't support cutting down on immigration, but it seems people will need to integrate a lot. They have every right to have whatever culture they want; as long as they contribute financially and socially that will be a net benefit for Germany. I guess where I'm coming from is that immigrants to the US are for the most part highly-skilled (especially asians) and tend to outearn and pay a lot more taxes on average than the average American. It's literally immigrants that are keeping America strong, and it was immigrant that built this country. So that's where America's strong pro-immigrant stance comes from; they built this country and always integrate within the first generation. Of course people who have been in Germany for maybe 1 or 2 years tops will identify as Syrian. But over time they will start to identify as Syrian-German, and that is the end goal.

I'm not sure what the issue is in Germany, if it's just your perception or if there's an actual integration issue. If they immigrate, they should of course learn English or German and then do well in school so they become productive members of society. The immigration model that has worked in the US since 1965 (prior to that, the US was racist and only allowed immigration from a few european countries; the American tech sector was horrific before 1965 and the economy stayed afloat through manufacturing). High-skill immigration is what makes America great and it would be awesome if Germany can figure out a way to make the same thing happen there. After all, gdp per capita in America is 50% higher than UK, Germany, France, Italy (due to our dominance in attracting top talent from around the world) and that percentage gets higher the farther east you go. So Germany should look into policies that encourage high-skill immigration from countries that are producing the next crop of geniuses such as China/India. I've seen Asian immigrants (from mainly India and East Asia), and 99% of them integrate in the 1st generation itself into the USA. They are in general extremely intelligent and usually dominate academics and the workplace, paying a disproportionate share of taxes compared to their population and also committing far less crime than any other race; white people here literally commit 3 times the crime per capita than Asians. So I suppose attract talent from that sector of the world.

Despite that 200k estimate, the Syrian Civil War is coming to an end and there will be a rapid reduction in refugees. Many will also repatriate to Syria, so you've got no need to worry on that front lol. The German government should allow the most educated Syrians to stay, so that they will make the country grow; this will also show Germans that immigrants generally are more useful to the economy than native-born Germans, as it is in America. This will usher in pro-skilled immigration policies and also create a more welcoming environment for immigrants.

Integration is the main goal here. It'll be up to the German government to successfully implement it, as the America, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and British governments have successfully done. Good luck to your government though. The thing I, the immigrants, and the vast majority of the German population is full integration. Once they become German then they will be a valuable part of the country like has happened in many other countries. Perhaps the fact that they've only been in Germany for the last few years is the reason integration has been slow. The vast majority of refugees to Germany have come in the last 10 years; slow integration is a natural part of how different cultures interact and eventually combine, bringing forth the best from each. Perhaps the police presence can be upped a bit to account for the influx of young men; that's usually the main reason for an increase in crime, not the religion. But careful care should be put to make sure mass incarceration doesn't take place like it did in America to black people.

Racism is bad because it denies fellow human beings the ability to be seen as a "person" by the person with the racist views. Racism is an inherently dehumanizing act; it places a certain "ingroup" over an "outgroup" over extremely arbitrary traits, and is the cause of acts leading from discrimination up to genocide. Human beings all came from Africa and it was only 10k years ago that Europeans began to have lighter skin due to the climate and lack of easy access to Vitamin D. If Europe had instead had a hot, sunny climate, you and every other person in Germany would be black. Skin color is merely from the melanin content in the skin and is unrelated to intelligence or other universal human traits. Scientists have found that two men from completely different races have more genetic similarity to even the most closely related mother and son or brother and sister. If you're not denigrating your own mother and sister for their genetic differences from you, why are you so hateful of people who have almost identical genetics to you but happen to have a darker skin color (which all of humanity once had)? Race is a social construct while ethnic groups are DNA determinable; and even among ethnic groups there is much more genetic similarly between humans than among any other primate or mammal species. Racism is just ridiculous considering how similar human beings are and how identical our psychologies are.

Inb4 the atwar holocaust for rp players

C sharp, you cant compare america to Germany...

USA is a melting pot for people and is much more ethnically diverse, like its always been.
Germany for the Germans.

Geschreven door Red.Army, 20.03.2019 at 01:42

Mass Immigration has been more negative than good. It has led to an increase in Murder and Rape. They don't care about European values and its people. Why should European countries accept them in if SOME of them are gonna cause trouble? By international law a refugee is required to stay in the first safe country they get too.. what on Earth are they fleeing from? Turkey? France? Controlled immigration is the only way this will work and Germany is beyond saving at this point.

i think it's a no brainer to say that crime will increase if you increase the population, but are migrants more likely to commit crimes than natives? i've read an article that said in germany, the migrants had similar crime rates compared to that of the natives.
what are european values?
do you think it's okay to deny refugees because a small percentage of their population are bad?

Geschreven door boywind2, 20.03.2019 at 02:12

Geschreven door Red.Army, 20.03.2019 at 01:42

Mass Immigration has been more negative than good. It has led to an increase in Murder and Rape. They don't care about European values and its people. Why should European countries accept them in if SOME of them are gonna cause trouble? By international law a refugee is required to stay in the first safe country they get too.. what on Earth are they fleeing from? Turkey? France? Controlled immigration is the only way this will work and Germany is beyond saving at this point.

i think it's a no brainer to say that crime will increase if you increase the population, but are migrants more likely to commit crimes than natives? i've read an article that said in germany, the migrants had similar crime rates compared to that of the natives.
what are european values?
do you think it's okay to deny refugees because a small percentage of their population are bad?

The article mustve been bullshit, the internet is mass propaganda after all...
Yes its okay to deny them, its your country after all, you do what the poeple want, if the people vote for no immigration then no outside pressure should change that.

The idea of multiculturalism is very nice in theory, but in practice it has several issues, one of them is the unwillingness of some foreigners to integrate or respect the local culture, laws or sovereignty.
The second one is resentment of many of the first, second, third, fourth etc. generations of immigrants to the locals, who sometimes express themselves in terrible crimes because of the feeling of inferiority among other reasons.
Third is the lack of loyalty of many of them to the country they migrated to.
Fourth is when they become financial burden to the country.
Fifth is the sense of loss of safety and identity by the locals, and the desire to preserve the local culture and the local people from intermingling with the foreigners, especially when there are waves after waves of unchecked and illegal immigrants, which encourage the locals to hate the foreigners out of fear. And it sometimes spread to outward animosity, to an entire ethnicity or race, that could've been avoided if there weren't that many foreigners in their country.

tldr - I think as long as they aren't too many, follow the rules, accept and appreciate the culture, and integrate with the locals it's fine.