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Geplaatst door Aetius, 22.08.2016 - 10:29
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Ok I am officially ending the game, sorry that there will be no Grand Finale. None of the Triumvirs except Sertorius wanted civil war. However, the other two guys got absurdly angry at me. One has even blocked me, and imo has begun to take this game way too personally. I don't want to lose friends over a forum game, this is literally the only reason why I am now stopping. Also, a good lesson as to why you keep IC and OOC separate. ....Although in a way I see it as a success I got people to be this emotionally invested in a forum game

gg all, let us now remember the great legends of the roman families

Triumvir Families - these 3 have reached the apex of power, although shared
Gens Sertorii
The Sertorii are an old and powerful family that has been influential in politics and later on in war against the Numidians, Parthians and were regarded as superior naval commanders. They have had 6 consulships, numerous prosecutions, and were always a controlling force behind the populares movement. In the late republic Flavius became the most influential, and arguably strongest of the 3 triumvirs as ruler of the west.

Gens Maria
The Marians are a very old family that was highly regarded for their religious positions. Over the course of roman history they have held a stunning 7 consulships and 1 dictatorship. Much of marian history has been military oriented, known for defeating the Seleucids at Magnesia in early times. In the mid republic they were leaders of the populare movement but were assassinated when political tensions rose, temporarily weakening the family allowing the Sertorii to take control of the party. Later, the ambitious Gaius Marius Maximus became the youngest ever dictator defeating the Socii revolt, and after defeating the massive pontic forces in Greece declared the revolt against the corrupt senate with the aid of Sertori and and Rexians. After Quintus Sertorius died however the rivalry between his son Flavius and Gaius Marius Maximus became more pronounced as they were the two ambitious leaders of the populares and resented each other.

Gens Rexii
The Rexii have consistently been a presence in roman politics, having held 6 consulships and countless other positions. The Rexii are regarded as extremely skilled politicians having risen from former disgrace to great influence and wealth as a founding member of the populares. The Rexii do have a reputation of being greedy, yet their wealth bought them power that can now no longer be denied as rulers of the eastern provinces.


Winning Families- these families picked the right side and successfully navigated the roman game of thrones to high positions of power

Gens Flavii
Of all the families in Rome, the Flavii are the most well regarded among wealthy equites. Long ago this was not the case, but following the downfall of the Numetorii, the Flavii inherited much of the wealth of the Ripam Alexandrie and begun their own steady rise to 2 consulships and numerous censorships and praetorships. Aligning with the populares the Flavii became the political centerpiece of the movement as they secured such influence among the equite class that their power in the senate became overwhelming. Ever after they were given the surname of Cato, meaning wise. And wise they have been, supporting the right side becoming rich and powerful.

Gens Nipii
The Nipii emerged from obscurity in the punic wars, being used as master of horse for less competent dictators. However, in the end they secured their own command becoming heroes of the republic after defeating Hannibal at Cannae. This fame was long lasting but in the mid republic their fortunes began to dwindle as legions loyal to the Nipii were destroyed in the numerous wars. A founding member of the populares, the Nipii have been loyal partisans and this has kept them from sinking lower. Decius began to reverse these fortunes as being part of the battle of Rome and then following Sertorius into the west becoming his heir. The Nipii may rise once again…

Gens Octavii
A wealthy and influential political family, the Octavii were strong allies of the sertorii, and they aided each other's rise. The Octavii had numerous connections throughout the city of Rome among the equites, and were commonly the Praetor, but also have secured Consulship twice in history as well as governorships in cisalpine gaul. The Octavii carefully maneuvered the dangerous political battlefield, never have been assassinated, always working from within the shadows to emerge on top.

Gens Marcii
The family history of the Marcii is a winding but tragic one as well. Over the course of history they have influential, holding 4 consulships and their most famous moment was commanding the sack of Carthage, however Africanus fell to a plague and was later utterly disgraced by being implicated in treasonous plot with the Antonines. Rising from this misfortune they switched parties to the Populares and became a decisive element in the civil war by granting support in return for rule over the Asian provinces. But once again, the head of the family died, this time in battle, reducing the family to mediocrity.

Gens Paulli
The Paulli are a notoriously wealthy but also greedy roman family. They rose to power after falling out with Potestatem party by making deals with the Populares to rule wealthy provinces as long as they turned a blind eye to their corruption. Amassing huge sums, the Paulli were never in Rome for most of their history. But this is not to say they are without merit, for they helped bring roman civilization to cisalpine gaul, and were large bankrollers of the populare movement. In the civil war they grew more ambitious seeking military commands as admirals and growing closer to the Sertorian faction.

At least I am still part of the wealthy 1% Tier
Gens Numetorii
A once more powerful family in the early republic and leader of the notable third party, ripam alexandrie, the untimely death of the head of the family ended this movement. Later on, the Numetorii aligned themselves with Potestatem, but their high status was degraded by being on the losing side of the civil war. The Numetorii have held 4 Consulships, numerous other political positions and were known as saviors of Rome from the Germans and victors against the notorious Viriathus in their brightest moment.

Gens Caetronii
The Caetronii have always been defenders of the roman state, military leaders, above political factionalism. Over the course of history they have held 5 consulships and 1 dictatorship. The Caetronii were known as victors over gauls in early times, but were most influential in the mid republic reaching an apex under Lucius who defeated the Spanish revolts as well as the pirates, guiding Rome through a turbulent political time as a neutral player. In the late republic their fortunes fell as Lucius grew old and his heirs could not defend the republic from the populares. Even so, the Caetronii are a continuing strong presence in the roman state.


At least I am not dead Tier
Gens Cornelli Scipiones
An old and active family, their fortunes rose to supreme heights in the early republic as conquers of Illyria and climaxed with their 1 consulship. Later though they were politically destroyed by the Populares and then fell into obscurity, and when Gnaeus began to rise he was struck down by plague. In the late republic Metellus was known as the most stalwart defender of the senate and fought until the last at Africa.

Gens Varii
From plebian origins, the Varii rose from the lower classes to the senate with the support of the Potestatem party (by giving them huge sums of money). The Varii reached their apex in a consulship with the Numetorii, after defeating a huge german horde in pannonia. After this moment of glory they began to fade as their wealth dried up and the Potestatem lost political power. After the battle of rome they surrendered to the populares but despite this were still executed due to hatred against them from the Marians. Even so, the Varii have not been utterly destroyed as the family still lives on as their recent son has been spared by the now more merciful populare senate due to the passage of time.

Gens Pedii
Plebians like the Varii, the Pedii rose to political relevance in a dangerous political era. With civil war imminent, they were thrust into hard decisions. A marriage alliance almost occurred with the Rexii potentially earning the favor of the populares but this ultimately broken down and the Pedii backed the Senate to their ultimate doom. Despite donating their entire fortune to the senatorial cause, this was not enough as the senatorial forces failed three times in battle. Escaping from the populare onslaught as governer of narbonese Gaul, the Pedii were finally captured after the Senatorial defeat in Africa and exiled.

Losers - families fallen from power, or traitors, or extinct
Gens Antonia, Gens Phoenicii, Gens Maximii , other people who have dropped out

18.09.2016 - 01:18
Geschreven door Darth., 18.09.2016 at 01:14

Geschreven door MrArmy987, 18.09.2016 at 01:11

Geschreven door Darth., 18.09.2016 at 01:08

3 on equite
I propose a Tier 1 landbill with the first person to reply being my cosponsor
When I retire this turn, I request the Consuls that I be allowed to govern the province of Sicily


Quit it with the land bills, just host some games. Unless there is something I'm missing they just seem like a waste

Not request to be cosponsor

They lower unrest and a Tier 1 isn't a permanent reduction of talents. A one-time 20 Talent reduction which we can afford after all the war booty. I feel games is unfair since they require you to spend too much for very little gain.


Chariot Races - cost 7 reduces unrest by -1, gives you +1 popularity
Gladiatorial Games - cost 13, reduces unrest by -2 gives you +2 popularity
Gladiatorial Spectacle - cost 18, reduces unrest by -3, gives you +3 popularity

Land Bill Tier 1 - cost 20 reduces unrest by -1, gives Sponsor 2 popularity and cosponsor 1 popularity

Like I said, I might be missing something but it seems like its not worth it
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18.09.2016 - 01:23
Geschreven door MrArmy987, 18.09.2016 at 01:18

Chariot Races - cost 7 reduces unrest by -1, gives you +1 popularity
Gladiatorial Games - cost 13, reduces unrest by -2 gives you +2 popularity
Gladiatorial Spectacle - cost 18, reduces unrest by -3, gives you +3 popularity

Land Bill Tier 1 - cost 20 reduces unrest by -1, gives Sponsor 2 popularity and cosponsor 1 popularity

Like I said, I might be missing something but it seems like its not worth it

I don't particularly care about the popularity if that's what you're hinting at. But the state can definitely afford that 20 talents. Meanwhile I had 42 Talents, 30 of which I donated to Rome and 10 Talents next turn. I see no reason why I should host games when the state can help the poor after the outbreak of disease by removing them from poverty with a landbill.
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18.09.2016 - 01:28
Geschreven door Darth., 18.09.2016 at 01:23


I don't particularly care about the popularity if that's what you're hinting at. But the state can definitely afford that 20 talents. Meanwhile I had 42 Talents, 30 of which I donated to Rome and 10 Talents next turn. I see no reason why I should host games when the state can help the poor after the outbreak of disease by removing them from poverty with a landbill.


Wasn't hinting at that, just that instead of paying 20 talents we could pay 7 and have the same effect. We don't have that much money in our treasury right now given a natural disaster we could be in a troubling position
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18.09.2016 - 01:34
Geschreven door MrArmy987, 18.09.2016 at 01:28

Wasn't hinting at that, just that instead of paying 20 talents we could pay 7 and have the same effect. We don't have that much money in our treasury right now given a natural disaster we could be in a troubling position

Bla that upkeep is ridiculous. After all those war spoils we're still so poor? Ffs go claim that 50Talent bequeath and a new province. Also assign governors to rich provinces like Sicily, Greece, Africa, Asia (to be claimed as bequeath) not as Cisalpine Gaul and shit.

If more people feel like you do, I'll revoke my landbill voluntarily. Also, keep in mind that the 20Talent penalty comes into effect next turn, and not this one. This turn we're going to be surviving on donations lel
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18.09.2016 - 01:40
Geschreven door MrArmy987, 18.09.2016 at 01:28

Geschreven door Darth., 18.09.2016 at 01:23


I don't particularly care about the popularity if that's what you're hinting at. But the state can definitely afford that 20 talents. Meanwhile I had 42 Talents, 30 of which I donated to Rome and 10 Talents next turn. I see no reason why I should host games when the state can help the poor after the outbreak of disease by removing them from poverty with a landbill.


Wasn't hinting at that, just that instead of paying 20 talents we could pay 7 and have the same effect. We don't have that much money in our treasury right now given a natural disaster we could be in a troubling position


And to think Darth claimed to know so much about this game..
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18.09.2016 - 01:46
Can I just highlight something...

The only reason Aetius has pushed for veterans to be disbanded is to boost his income when you spam fresh legions to compensate for it...

He made +28 talents this turn.

Use your intelligence guys, and stop retiring them. Aetius is way too strong
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18.09.2016 - 01:48
3 on equite.

Consuls must be sure to appoint JF vs gaul.

I also suggest declaring war against the Seleucids.

And request to be appointed consul next turn since I haven't been yet because of my uncles untimely assassination by a traitor named tunder
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18.09.2016 - 02:35
6 on Equite, 10 to Rome.
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18.09.2016 - 02:43
Geschreven door Andertes123, 18.09.2016 at 02:35

12 on Equite, 10 to Rome.

12 on equite is not at all cost-effective. It'll take you 12 turns to get your initial expenditure back, and if by some freak rolls you don't get an equite, then gg
3 or 6 is best.
Put 3 on equite and donate 20 not 10 to Rome. You get +2 influence
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18.09.2016 - 02:45
Geschreven door Darth., 18.09.2016 at 02:43

Geschreven door Andertes123, 18.09.2016 at 02:35

12 on Equite, 10 to Rome.

12 on equite is not at all cost-effective. It'll take you 12 turns to get your initial expenditure back, and if by some freak rolls you don't get an equite, then gg
3 or 6 is best.
Put 3 on equite and donate 20 not 10 to Rome. You get +2 influence

Andertius Pauilius will take this as an insult for being stupid, but will agree part of it. 6 on equite, 10 to rome.
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18.09.2016 - 03:22
How long does it take until I come back?
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Someone Better Than You
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18.09.2016 - 03:33
1 open bodyguard (what I cant pay comes from the fraction bank)

I take the asian card to create the new province.
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18.09.2016 - 07:27
Geschreven door Darth., 18.09.2016 at 01:00

Geschreven door Pheonixking929, 17.09.2016 at 22:21

Now that I have been cleared of the ridiculous crimes brought against me, I hope the Senate and the dictator may consider appointing me as governor of Africa in order to defend the province my valiant soldiers died bringing into the fold of the Republic.

You dead bruh

Don't remind me -_-
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Everyone is living a myth and it's important to know what yours is. It could be a tragedy- and maybe you don't want it to be.
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18.09.2016 - 10:08
Geschreven door Pheonixking929, 18.09.2016 at 07:27

Geschreven door Darth., 18.09.2016 at 01:00

Geschreven door Pheonixking929, 17.09.2016 at 22:21

Now that I have been cleared of the ridiculous crimes brought against me, I hope the Senate and the dictator may consider appointing me as governor of Africa in order to defend the province my valiant soldiers died bringing into the fold of the Republic.

You dead bruh

Don't remind me -_-

I know, it sucks so bad. It's how I died too
Random rolls deciding whether you live or die...
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18.09.2016 - 12:23
Its a game based on dice rolls, what did you expect?
Laden...
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18.09.2016 - 12:42
Aetius or MrArmy, humph, whos going to win?
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18.09.2016 - 13:15
Geschreven door Andertes123, 18.09.2016 at 12:42

Aetius or MrArmy, humph, whos going to win?


Check out the military reforms law we passed, no one can win by 35 influence anymore.
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18.09.2016 - 13:25
Geschreven door Aetius, 18.09.2016 at 13:15

Check out the military reforms law we passed, no one can win by 35 influence anymore.

And yet pyrrhus got murdered anyways...

Turns seem to be changed irregularly. We're going through 1 turn every 1 and a half days or so instead of the single day it used to be.

I'm thinking of prosecuting someone. Any suggestions people?
BTW since no one has come forward as co-sponsor I nominate Aetius
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18.09.2016 - 13:39
Geschreven door Aetius, 18.09.2016 at 13:15

Geschreven door Andertes123, 18.09.2016 at 12:42

Aetius or MrArmy, humph, whos going to win?


Check out the military reforms law we passed, no one can win by 35 influence anymore.

didnt even see
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18.09.2016 - 14:22
 JF.
3 on Equite. Open Bodyguard
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18.09.2016 - 16:10
==Turn 16: Phase 2 has begun==
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18.09.2016 - 16:32
Consul Vote
2) Lucius Caetronianus (MrArmy987) & Augustus Damasippus (Resting Lime)


Censor Vote
2)Cassius Caelius (Safari)

Praetor Vote
1)Marco Flavius Cato Minor(Witch-Doctor)

Who will command the 2 armies of the Germanic Migrations?
2) Tiberius Octavius (vale) and Caspiel Rex Secundus(Darth.) [Populares]


"Now, the Senate shall vote on the proposals of the Consuls. Tribunes speak now or forever hold your peace!"

The Consuls have decided not to declare war on the Cilician Pirates.
The Consuls have decided not to declare war upon the Seleucid Empire.
Cassius Caelius (Safari) will take 3 legions and 3 fleets to occupy Asia via Pergamene Bequest.
Cassius Caelius (Safari) will assume the Proconsulship of Africa after his term is over.


Reassign Andertius Paullus (Pavle ) to Governorship of Sicily? (proposal via pavle's tribune)
1)Aye



Force Deployments
1)split army to fight germans
1st army:
Legio II Lupus, Legio VII Aquila, Legio Evocati X Fulminata,Legio I Ex Nihilo +5 legions
2nd army:
Legio III Victrix , Legio XII Hispana, Legio XIII Invicta, Legio XI Libyca+ 6 legions
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ho
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18.09.2016 - 16:34
 JF.
Consul Vote
2) Lucius Caetronianus (MrArmy987) & Augustus Damasippus (Resting Lime)


Censor Vote
1)Publius Numertorius (JF)

Praetor Vote
1)Marco Flavius Cato Minor(Witch-Doctor)

Who will command the 2 armies of the Germanic Migrations?
1) Publius Numertorius (JF) and Sextus Varius (Meester) [Potestatem]

Reassign Andertius Paullus (Pavle ) to Governorship of Sicily?
2)Nay

Force Deployments
1)
Laden...
Laden...
18.09.2016 - 16:36
 JF.
Pheonixking tutut
Laden...
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18.09.2016 - 16:37
Consul Vote
2) Lucius Caetronianus (MrArmy987) & Augustus Damasippus (Resting Lime)

Censor Vote
2)Cassius Caelius (Safari)

Praetor Vote
1)Marco Flavius Cato Minor(Witch-Doctor)

Who will command the 2 armies of the Germanic Migrations?
2) Tiberius Octavius (vale) and Caspiel Rex Secundus(Darth.) [Populares]

Reassign Andertius Paullus (Pavle ) to Governorship of Sicily? (proposal via pavle's tribune)
2)Nay

Force Deployments
1)split army to fight germans
1st army:
Legio II Lupus, Legio VII Aquila, Legio Evocati X Fulminata,Legio I Ex Nihilo +5 legions
2nd army:
Legio III Victrix , Legio XII Hispana, Legio XIII Invicta, Legio XI Libyca+ 6 legions

I condemn the letters and praise the gods for carrying out righteous justice and killing phoenixking. I also call the Consuls idiots for not suggesting more governors to increase Rome's income and genuinely doubt the intelligence of the Potestatem government.
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18.09.2016 - 16:37
Consul Vote
1) Sextus Varius (Meester) & Valens Phoenicus (Phoenix)

Censor Vote
2)Cassius Caelius (Safari)

Praetor Vote
1)Marco Flavius Cato Minor(Witch-Doctor)

Who will command the 2 armies of the Germanic Migrations?
2) Tiberius Octavius (vale) and Galerius Nipius ( Death1816) [Populares]

I would like to bribe 5 votes using all of our wealth from our faction bank to vote for us to take command.

Reassign Andertius Paullus (Pavle ) to Governorship of Sicily? (proposal via pavle's tribune)
1) Aye

I would like to bribe 5 votes using all of our wealth from our faction bank to vote for his reassignment

Force Deployments
1)split army to fight germans
1st army:
Legio II Lupus, Legio VII Aquila, Legio Evocati X Fulminata,Legio I Ex Nihilo +5 legions
2nd army:
Legio III Victrix , Legio XII Hispana, Legio XIII Invicta, Legio XI Libyca+ 6 legions
Laden...
Laden...
18.09.2016 - 16:38
 JF.
Geschreven door Need Mental Help, 18.09.2016 at 16:32



darth not death
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18.09.2016 - 16:39
 JF.
Geschreven door Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:37



You are the one giving rome hefty fines due to land bills.
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Laden...
18.09.2016 - 16:39
Consul Vote
1) Sextus Varius (Meester) & Valens Phoenicus (Phoenix)

Censor Vote
1)Publius Numertorius (JF)

Praetor Vote
1)Marco Flavius Cato Minor(Witch-Doctor)

Who will command the 2 armies of the Germanic Migrations?
1) Publius Numertorius (JF) and Sextus Varius (Meester) [Potestatem]

Reassign Andertius Paullus (Pavle ) to Governorship of Sicily? (proposal via pavle's tribune)
2)Nay

Force Deployments
1)split army to fight germans
1st army:
Legio II Lupus, Legio VII Aquila, Legio Evocati X Fulminata,Legio I Ex Nihilo +5 legions
2nd army:
Legio III Victrix , Legio XII Hispana, Legio XIII Invicta, Legio XI Libyca+ 6 legions

Overall, could you split up voted between factions a bit more. When traditional politics fails conventional methods take over, and those methods are not going to do us any good right about now.
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18.09.2016 - 16:40
Geschreven door JF., 18.09.2016 at 16:39

Geschreven door Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:37



You are the one giving rome hefty fines due to land bills.

Hue the landbill was rescinded since it proved unpopular. And Rome has been receiving negative income because of Pavle siphoning off taxes.
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