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Geplaatst door Mauzer Panteri, 07.10.2017 - 15:15
Strikers :

1. MP
2. Nero
3. Lemonade / first mod.
4. TheDarkLord12
5. Sphinx
6. Steve Aoki
7. lcarus.M.T.
8. Sexy Girl
9. Gardevior
10. RoaiStyle
11. Laochra
12. GhostFace
13. Sascha
14. Fight Shadow
15. Nations vs nwo.
16. Hellykin
17. G.R.O.M
18. Trystane
19. FlameandFury
20. LukeTan
21. Your Monkey
22. NorthernPeick
23. Jester
24. Invisible
25.
26. Darth.
27. Jaredb027
28. Kogi
29. FreeCandyVan
30. SubipraDebadhikary
31. Revot
32. Tequilapaf
33. JUGERS2
34. Land_of_fire
35. Lord Zeus
36. Chill
37. Redtechs
38. b0nker
39. Cao Mengde
40. K. Sneaky
41. Your Mother
42. Don
43. Opi
44. TheKeeper
45. Trystane Jr
46. Soviet Elvir
47. Phoenix
48. Dizabo
49. MajestyZ
50. AdorableChrome
51. Croat
52. Labienus
53. Critical
54. Cpt.Magic
55. Guard
56. Skittzophrenic
57. K_Himmelreich
58. Unleashed
59.
60


It was a time that this happen.

Reason : AW has become unplayable.

The game is under 10% potential, because it got abandoned and has nothing new or good. Html version still looks very ugly, even if we got used to it.
Competitive scene died. Proof for that is my friend eagle won east tour. D
So many players quit or stopped playing this game.
Because no upgrades, Bhutan server, bugs (so, so many bugs).

Who can explain why this game, which most of us still love and think it has a lot of potential, turns into this.

Graphic, server, and motivation are on such a low level for 2017.

We (every player who signs here, he have to post and apply to join in strike group) demand improvements, and we demand them soon.

The current state is not acceptable for us.
So we will not play this game again until all our wishes are met.

List of our wishes :

1.Fix server so we can play like humans.
2.Release map editor already.
Admins promised that gonna be done 2 years ago. We can't wait anymore.
3.Demote inactive and useless mods.
4.Implement two new strategies. Even if they suck, we just need something new. We can make a topic with suggestions for new strats.
5.Fix codes. It is so easy to exploit some of bugs.

Everyone who supports this, post here to join group of strikers.
Only thing you have to do is not to play games. Chat in game, insulting other players while they play is allowed. Forum posting is fine too.

But if you play even a single turn since strike is on, you will become betrayer, an admin spy, and someone who is happy with currently state.

Players which also stopped to play because of some of those reasons are welcome to join too.



Betrayers / Amok's best friends list :

1. Kappa1917
2. Waffel
3. Tirpitz406
4. War/ Kayser Soze
5. sswoffels
6. Galerius
7. Ted
8. 4nic
9.
10. White Army
11. BobTheBuilder420
12. Cold Case
13.
08.10.2017 - 16:32
 Sascha (Mod)
Geschreven door Amok, 08.10.2017 at 16:29

You guys are confusing adding new admins with actual game development. Giving people admins rights won't fix all the bugs or finish the map editor.


a lot players offered help with coding so why there is no new programmer until know ?
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08.10.2017 - 16:33
 4nic
Oh well..
The point of this strike was to get a reaction from the admins,clearly nothing will ever get done like this. .As we saw from amoks reply.

Mauzer remove me from the strike list.
Ill try to play the game dont care how it is anymore.
Cw?
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~Napoleon


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08.10.2017 - 16:34
 Crow
Geschreven door Amok, 08.10.2017 at 16:29

You guys are confusing adding new admins with actual game development. Giving people admins rights won't fix all the bugs or finish the map editor.

I would suggest using https://bitmitigate.com/, it provides perfect DDoS protection. It's worth a shot. (It's also free)
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08.10.2017 - 16:35
Open ur mind Amok and find some good programmer.

No reasons to let some stupid games be much more popular then aw.
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08.10.2017 - 16:36
 Amok (Administrator)
Geschreven door Guest, 08.10.2017 at 16:31

If they feel they have the legitimacy to genuinely control the game, won't they be motivated to develop it, find funds, ideas, etc...

What u did when u had time and energy for it ?

Having admin rights is not the same as writing the code and updating a game. These are two completely separate things. We don't have the money to pay an experienced programmer, and an experienced programmer(s) is what atWar needs.
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08.10.2017 - 16:38
Geschreven door Amok, 08.10.2017 at 16:36

Geschreven door Guest, 08.10.2017 at 16:31

If they feel they have the legitimacy to genuinely control the game, won't they be motivated to develop it, find funds, ideas, etc...

What u did when u had time and energy for it ?

Having admin rights is not the same as writing the code and updating a game. These are two completely separate things. We don't have the money to pay an experienced programmer, and an experienced programmer(s) is what atWar needs.

Aren't you or amok an experienced programmer by now?
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08.10.2017 - 16:38
 Orc
Geschreven door Amok, 08.10.2017 at 16:29

You guys are confusing adding new admins with actual game development. Giving people admins rights won't fix all the bugs or finish the map editor.


This is so inspirational.

Let us know about the game development.

I just have made so many posts about this but i am not a programmer..just a entusiast. But this message is a good thing.

What about talk about the tecnologies that atwar-game works? Unity? C#?

What about to create a topic here www.workana.com to make a budget about the game? So many programmers there are here. I yet had already posted a topic asking for prices to a game like atwar-game.

About prices? One of the programmers estabilished R$ 7000 reais (about $3500 dollars) to make a "atwar-game" from 0 (zero) in Unity.

To finalize the map editor I think that cost less.

If you open the code to the community, good things can happen.

Thanks.
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08.10.2017 - 16:38
 Sascha (Mod)
Geschreven door Amok, 08.10.2017 at 16:36

Geschreven door Guest, 08.10.2017 at 16:31

If they feel they have the legitimacy to genuinely control the game, won't they be motivated to develop it, find funds, ideas, etc...

What u did when u had time and energy for it ?

Having admin rights is not the same as writing the code and updating a game. These are two completely separate things. We don't have the money to pay an experienced programmer, and an experienced programmer(s) is what atWar needs.


i am pretty sure atwar has some expierenced programmers
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Life has no limitations, except the ones you make.
--Les Brown
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08.10.2017 - 16:40
 Orc
Geschreven door Amok, 08.10.2017 at 16:36

Geschreven door Guest, 08.10.2017 at 16:31

If they feel they have the legitimacy to genuinely control the game, won't they be motivated to develop it, find funds, ideas, etc...

What u did when u had time and energy for it ?

Having admin rights is not the same as writing the code and updating a game. These are two completely separate things. We don't have the money to pay an experienced programmer, and an experienced programmer(s) is what atWar needs.



Programmers -> www.workana.com
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08.10.2017 - 16:41
Galerius
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Geschreven door Amok, 08.10.2017 at 16:36

Geschreven door Guest, 08.10.2017 at 16:31

If they feel they have the legitimacy to genuinely control the game, won't they be motivated to develop it, find funds, ideas, etc...

What u did when u had time and energy for it ?

Having admin rights is not the same as writing the code and updating a game. These are two completely separate things. We don't have the money to pay an experienced programmer, and an experienced programmer(s) is what atWar needs.



They are right, u communicate your depression .

I understand there is many arguments that push for a statu quo.

But why not give it a try ?

Cause apparently u don't have time to fix the things anymore, for example find a programmer, why not just give someone the task to do so, and impulse a new energy in the project by giving full rights to some people ?

The situation is that the game need to get a new vision, there is many people who stands to continue your effort and seems to have ideas, they just don't feel they have the power and the legitimacy.

I said the essential of what i had to say, now i let u think about it, with an open mind i hope.

Good evening, and thanks for having this game made, i know customer aren't generally grateful.
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08.10.2017 - 16:43
Im going to defend amok here for a moment, Developing a game is a skill, admin privilages does not make someone a developer, He said hes busy i get that, nothing we can do about it, what im asking is why dont you finally allow outside volunteers to help you? Ivan said you guys where working on it but that was now months ago. If you cant finish what you started for any reason, you atleast owe it to us to find someone who will, through selling the game or whatever other avenue you choose, you cant just leave it like this, and not give us a time when you will be able to finish it.
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08.10.2017 - 16:43
 Amok (Administrator)
We don't have resources to hire programmers. And no writing atWar for $3500 from zero is just total bullocks.
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08.10.2017 - 16:45
To be honest i don't care about the crying in trophies of CW, so i understand most of the guys here and yes.

i'm now barely active so yes, add me.
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08.10.2017 - 16:46
Looks like problems are pretty deep here.

I blame zizou...
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08.10.2017 - 16:47
Geschreven door Helly, 08.10.2017 at 16:43



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08.10.2017 - 16:47
 Amok (Administrator)
I'm open to volunteers. Send me your CVs. But you must understand that at least initially there will be very little profit. Most experienced programmers actually like to get paid . I know I do.
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08.10.2017 - 16:48
Geschreven door Amok, 08.10.2017 at 15:48

We are under a sustained DDoS attack at the moment, which we can't do anything about. Our server provider already offers DDoS protection as standard, but this is not enough, as we've been witnessing. You can strike all you want, but the fact is we simply don't have enough resources to mitigate this. Same goes for code updates and updates in general. I myself personally, have close to zero time to spend on the game development at this moment of my life. Ivan is similar. We've been working tirelessly on this game for over 5 years, which had a big effect on our social lifes (mine certainly). We've got families, kids, you know. It came to a point when it's just not doable anymore. I still do believe we have achieved a lot, being such a small team and working on the game in our spare time. So strike all you want, but remember that in reality it's all quite trivial. Unless someone offers us good money to buy the game or to help us work on it and on the fixes - it will remain as it is (at least for now). Which is still an perfectly playable game when we're not being DDoS'ed (yes, there's the map editor problem, we know, but still). By the way, whoever is doing it, I struggle to understand your motives. Where is the fun in ruining people's playing experience? I will never get this.

people ddos for this game being shit with shit mods dude... there is no fun with the same cancer people and same cancer servers and playing the same kind of game for 5 years with (almost) same fucking cancer mods.... whoever ddos it got banned from the game, because of the cancer mods that banning for stupid reasons(using black color ect...) and had enough...
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Furthermore, I consider that NWE must be destroyed
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08.10.2017 - 16:49
 4nic
Geschreven door Crow, 08.10.2017 at 16:34

Geschreven door Amok, 08.10.2017 at 16:29

You guys are confusing adding new admins with actual game development. Giving people admins rights won't fix all the bugs or finish the map editor.

I would suggest using https://bitmitigate.com/, it provides perfect DDoS protection. It's worth a shot. (It's also free)

atwars problem goes beyond the current ddos deal...
they need a plan long term,either to be commited or to sell the game
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~Napoleon


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08.10.2017 - 16:49
Geschreven door Amok, 08.10.2017 at 16:43

We don't have resources to hire programmers. And no writing atWar for $3500 from zero is just total bullocks.

Fund raise
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08.10.2017 - 16:51
 Orc
Find programers.

Some programmer entusiat of the game works for free?

Where to find a programmer and how it costs?

I found programmers from Brazil and India here: www.workana.com that told me that could make a atwar-game. The majority in Unity.

About R$ 7000 reais ($3500 dollars) to a good programmer experienced in Unity.

But i dont had the money

Its about to find programmers and to know the costs.

Thanks!
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08.10.2017 - 16:54
Galerius
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Geschreven door Amok, 08.10.2017 at 16:47

I'm open to volunteers. Send me your CVs. But you must understand that at least initially there will be very little profit. Most experienced programmers actually like to get paid . I know I do.


Great, then now instead of complaining skilled players should suggest an operative plan to revive this game.

At least, in the first place, try to stop those attacks.

But the thing is it must be a global refunding, information to players, new mods etc... occasional volunteering will just scattered the energies.

it's your responsability to call for such general politic u're the only one with the legitimacy.
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08.10.2017 - 16:54
 Orc
What tecnologies are in use in the atwar-game?

Unity? C#? Silverlight? HTML5?
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08.10.2017 - 16:57
Geschreven door Amok, 08.10.2017 at 16:43

We don't have resources to hire programmers.


I have seen more than once players offering their help in the forum. Just make a thread and ask who can help. I am sure you will find the one you needs. I guess it's not easy to trust someone you don't know to do critical thing but Some of atWar main bugs and problems are'nt even that big you just need someone to pay attention. you can even have Sun Tsu as supervisor.

Here are some suggestions for programmers in the community that i know of:

clovis1122
hdrakon
blackcock69
Cthulhu
Lenny Mclenny

Again. if you really are interested in help you can let the community know about it and find someone decent
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08.10.2017 - 16:59
Geschreven door Amok, 08.10.2017 at 15:48

I myself personally, have close to zero time to spend on the game development at this moment of my life. Ivan is similar. We've been working tirelessly on this game for over 5 years, which had a big effect on our social lifes (mine certainly). We've got families, kids, you know. It came to a point when it's just not doable anymore. I still do believe we have achieved a lot, being such a small team and working on the game in our spare time.


I love your game, you obviously did a great job with it and i am grateful i spend so much of my time here, as i enjoyed it dearly and consider the money i spent well deserved. Thank you for this.

That being said i am a nerd for logical flaws and arguments that dont hold up, like the ones you offered. You guys having kids, dogs, wives and stuff is great and all but frankly we dont care, its non of our business since we are not friends. This is a business, you are selling something that people buy or rent, emphasis on the present term as you are still selling it. And since you are still selling it you should be able to do at least some minimal maintenance and i cant believe that someone doesnt have the time to log to his own game once per week to check how things are.

If i were you i would either :

- Find the time to fix the basic bugs and map maker and then say your goodbyes
- Make all the game options free and leave everything on auto-pilot
- Consider hiring one or two young programmers who will work for coffee and apple pie just so they can have this on their resume and have them occasionally fix bugs and etc maybe try the mapmaker
- Sell the game and since its obvious you lack the time/energy/motivation to adequately handle this, maybe make a public announcement with an approximate price and the community can spread the word.

If you dont do any of the above that probably means this is still/can be, a successful business for you and that means we should probably see you more often Amok
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08.10.2017 - 16:59
 Amok (Administrator)
C#, JavaScript, PHP, MySQL
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08.10.2017 - 17:01
A separated post for the work offer would help I believe.

Geschreven door Rock Lee, 08.10.2017 at 16:57

Here are some suggestions for programmers in the community that i know of:

hdrakon


^^ Thanks for pointing out why theses people needs to be carefully selected...
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08.10.2017 - 17:04
Geschreven door clovis1122, 08.10.2017 at 17:01

^^ Thanks for pointing out why theses people needs to be carefully selected...

You are not helping...
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08.10.2017 - 17:07
 Amok (Administrator)
Geschreven door Khal.eesi, 08.10.2017 at 16:59

1. Find the time to fix the basic bugs and map maker and then say your goodbyes
2. Make all the game options free and leave everything on auto-pilot
3. Consider hiring one or two young programmers who will work for coffee and apple pie just so they can have this on their resume and have them occasionally fix bugs and etc maybe try the mapmaker
4. Sell the game and since its obvious you lack the time/energy/motivation to adequately handle this, maybe make a public announcement with an approximate price and the community can spread the word.

1. Re-read my first reply
2. I'm sure that would make people who spent money on premium very happy /s
3. Trouble with young programmers who work for coffee is they make more mess that actual work
4. Public announcement would do no good, but we're always open to offers
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08.10.2017 - 17:08
Geschreven door clovis1122, 08.10.2017 at 17:01

A separated post for the work offer would help I believe.

Geschreven door Rock Lee, 08.10.2017 at 16:57

Here are some suggestions for programmers in the community that i know of:

hdrakon


^^ Thanks for pointing out why theses people needs to be carefully selected...

fuck off
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08.10.2017 - 17:08
Geschreven door Amok, 08.10.2017 at 17:07

Geschreven door Khal.eesi, 08.10.2017 at 16:59

1. Find the time to fix the basic bugs and map maker and then say your goodbyes
2. Make all the game options free and leave everything on auto-pilot
3. Consider hiring one or two young programmers who will work for coffee and apple pie just so they can have this on their resume and have them occasionally fix bugs and etc maybe try the mapmaker
4. Sell the game and since its obvious you lack the time/energy/motivation to adequately handle this, maybe make a public announcement with an approximate price and the community can spread the word.

1. Re-read my first reply
2. I'm sure that would make people who spent money on premium very happy /s
3. Trouble with young programmers who work for coffee is they make more mess that actual work
4. Public announcement would do no good, but we're always open to offers

What is your solution to this may I ask? Leave the game for another year whilst people who paid money for premium and who actually enjoy the game cant even log on?
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