Palestine vs Israel

Geschreven door RaulPB, 31.01.2017 at 16:26

Then why not giving Prussia back to Germany or USA to the natives but giving Israel to jews?

Because the Jews have been there for thousands of years, and have successfully defended it after being given their own state, compared to the natives being crushed by the United States and Germany failing to defend East Prussia

Geschreven door Viruslegion, 31.01.2017 at 21:17

Geschreven door RaulPB, 31.01.2017 at 16:26

Then why not giving Prussia back to Germany or USA to the natives but giving Israel to jews?

Because the Jews have been there for thousands of years, and have successfully defended it after being given their own state, compared to the natives being crushed by the United States and Germany failing to defend East Prussia

So if Migrant Europeans deserve America as they crushed Native Americans, that mean Germans don't deserve Prussia as they failed to defend it right?

Geschreven door Viruslegion, 31.01.2017 at 21:17

Because the Jews have been there for thousands of years, and have successfully defended it after being given their own state, compared to the natives being crushed by the United States and Germany failing to defend East Prussia

Summarizing, jews got kicked out of Israel but deserved another chance to defend it meanwhile Germans in Prussia and natives in USA don't? How is that fair?

Geschreven door Skanderbeg, 01.02.2017 at 15:56

So if Migrant Europeans deserve America as they crushed Native Americans, that mean Germans don't deserve Prussia as they failed to defend it right?

Correct

Geschreven door RaulPB, 01.02.2017 at 16:21

Summarizing, jews got kicked out of Israel but deserved another chance to defend it meanwhile Germans in Prussia and natives in USA don't? How is that fair?

First of all the Jews never left, they've always been there, and second, the country that conquered Israel, Great Britain decided to give it to the Jews to form the Jewish state, it was up to the Brits to decide what to do with it and they made their decision

Geschreven door Viruslegion, 01.02.2017 at 21:17

Geschreven door Skanderbeg, 01.02.2017 at 15:56

So if Migrant Europeans deserve America as they crushed Native Americans, that mean Germans don't deserve Prussia as they failed to defend it right?

Correct

So why not compromise using the law, morals and civilization, to pursue best interest of both parties?

1. Germans can return to Kalinigrad Oblast, region and restore previous names (Prussia), German language is established as official and second to Russian, all signs on buildings, roads and traffic must be on Russian, German and English as international language.

2. Native Americans get American citizenship, ID cards, state support as healthcare, education and welfare, but they have to go through Selective Service System, they also get property rights and civil rights along human rights like every citizen of US and inhabitant of Planet Earth, and they get autonomy or state to administrate themselves like other 50 states of the US, like Russia have 20 republics and 4 autonomous regions.

Geschreven door Skanderbeg, 02.02.2017 at 11:21

So why not compromise using the law, morals and civilization, to pursue best interest of both parties?

1. Germans can return to Kalinigrad Oblast, region and restore previous names (Prussia), German language is established as official and second to Russian, all signs on buildings, roads and traffic must be on Russian, German and English as international language.

2. Native Americans get American citizenship, ID cards, state support as healthcare, education and welfare, but they have to go through Selective Service System, they also get property rights and civil rights along human rights like every citizen of US and inhabitant of Planet Earth, and they get autonomy or state to administrate themselves like other 50 states of the US, like Russia have 20 republics and 4 autonomous regions.

I wouldn't be opposed to any of that, except Natives getting autonomy

Geschreven door Skanderbeg, 02.02.2017 at 11:21

Geschreven door Viruslegion, 01.02.2017 at 21:17

Geschreven door Skanderbeg, 01.02.2017 at 15:56

So if Migrant Europeans deserve America as they crushed Native Americans, that mean Germans don't deserve Prussia as they failed to defend it right?

Correct

So why not compromise using the law, morals and civilization, to pursue best interest of both parties?

1. Germans can return to Kalinigrad Oblast, region and restore previous names (Prussia), German language is established as official and second to Russian, all signs on buildings, roads and traffic must be on Russian, German and English as international language.

2. Native Americans get American citizenship, ID cards, state support as healthcare, education and welfare, but they have to go through Selective Service System, they also get property rights and civil rights along human rights like every citizen of US and inhabitant of Planet Earth, and they get autonomy or state to administrate themselves like other 50 states of the US, like Russia have 20 republics and 4 autonomous regions.

Native Americans no longer are forced to live on reservations and have full citizenship, in fact if your native you get education grants that no one else can acquire. Natives are not being oppressed anymore and can choose whether to live on the land we granted them or in any state or city in the United states. As for autonomy, each tribe is to small to be granted autonomy (less then 10k, 10k being the largest), and the nation is so big each tribe has its own identity so it would be impossible to group them all up in a state as you say. Seeing as they are united states citizens with full rights, and can live where they want, what is the issue here? None of them want to lose there state benefits anyways.

Geschreven door RaulPB, 01.02.2017 at 16:21

Geschreven door Viruslegion, 31.01.2017 at 21:17

Because the Jews have been there for thousands of years, and have successfully defended it after being given their own state, compared to the natives being crushed by the United States and Germany failing to defend East Prussia

Summarizing, jews got kicked out of Israel but deserved another chance to defend it meanwhile Germans in Prussia and natives in USA don't? How is that fair?

There are no germans left in east Prussia ussr force migrated them to germany.

Geschreven door Helly, 02.02.2017 at 13:18

There are no germans left in east Prussia ussr force migrated them to germany.

So let's give them their land back, poor guys

Geschreven door RaulPB, 02.02.2017 at 14:52

Geschreven door Helly, 02.02.2017 at 13:18

There are no germans left in east Prussia ussr force migrated them to germany.

So let's give them their land back, poor guys

sure, ask putin i think he will gladly give it back

Geschreven door Viruslegion, 01.02.2017 at 21:19

First of all the Jews never left, they've always been there, and second, the country that conquered Israel, Great Britain decided to give it to the Jews to form the Jewish state, it was up to the Brits to decide what to do with it and they made their decision

People never completely leave when being conquered tho. Just check the natives americans, there they are still nowadays. Anyway, when Britain decided that, obviously the natives from that region would complain.

Geschreven door DZuur01, 02.02.2017 at 14:56

sure, ask putin i think he will gladly give it back

Ofc, putin is a highly charming, understanding and generous person!

Geschreven door RaulPB, 02.02.2017 at 14:57

People never completely leave when being conquered tho.

see East Prussia and Silesia

Geschreven door RaulPB, 02.02.2017 at 14:57

Anyway, when Britain decided that, obviously the natives from that region would complain.

There will always be someone complaining, it wasn't their land so their opinion on it was irrelevant

Geschreven door Viruslegion, 03.02.2017 at 11:19

There will always be someone complaining, it wasn't their land so their opinion on it was irrelevant

It's their land as long as they live in it.... so dramatic

Geschreven door RaulPB, 03.02.2017 at 14:48

It's their land as long as they live in it.... so dramatic

the Jews have been there longer than anyone, so how isn't it there land then?

Geschreven door Viruslegion, 03.02.2017 at 14:58

the Jews have been there longer than anyone, so how isn't it there land then?

Native americans have been in usa forever, how isn't it their land either?

10/10 shitpost material

Geschreven door RaulPB, 04.02.2017 at 06:25

Geschreven door Viruslegion, 03.02.2017 at 14:58

the Jews have been there longer than anyone, so how isn't it there land then?

Native americans have been in usa forever, how isn't it their land either?

Because they couldn't defend it, they were conquered and therefore it isn't theirs anymore

Geschreven door Viruslegion, 04.02.2017 at 14:16

Geschreven door RaulPB, 04.02.2017 at 06:25

Geschreven door Viruslegion, 03.02.2017 at 14:58

the Jews have been there longer than anyone, so how isn't it there land then?

Native americans have been in usa forever, how isn't it their land either?

Because they couldn't defend it, they were conquered and therefore it isn't theirs anymore

By your logic, world would end like in 1984. Strong big nations will absorb smaller ones and constantly fight each other, and because they will not be able to defeat anyone because of their size, tech and numbers, war will be perpetual. Very bright future.

Geschreven door Viruslegion, 04.02.2017 at 14:16

Because they couldn't defend it, they were conquered and therefore it isn't theirs anymore

But israel got conquered as well.............. they weren't able to defend it... according to your logic, they are not worthy of being there

This is still going on? I thought there would be like 10 comments, not 160.

This officially beat Balkan Flame Wars, congrats, Israel-Palestine debates are now 1# (always shouldv'e been, balkan is not that important anyway)

Geschreven door RaulPB, 05.02.2017 at 15:28

But israel got conquered as well.............. they weren't able to defend it... according to your logic, they are not worthy of being there

If not for England, the latest conqueror deciding to give it back to the Jews I would agree with you, but that's what happened, and since then they have defended it against their barbaric neighbors time and time again