Visual update of atWar rules

Hi lads

Since supporters are updating some older threads, visually and the substance itself, I am willing to prepare atWar rules in a new visual look.
5 years passed since Sificvoid made these rules (which were updated in the meantime), but always with same monotone white look.
So, I gave you to decide are you for visual update of AW rules or not.

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Also, here are already updated things:

Guide to AtWar (by Google Chrome) -----> http://hr.atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=24500
GIF Guide to AtWar (by Google Chrome and MrArmy987) -----> http://hr.atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=24603
atWar Record Book (made by Chess, updated by clovis1122) -----> http://hr.atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=11039
+ some more updatings in preparation

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Cheers
Croat

How about we get AtWar site in new visual look?

I would create a brand new guideline by myself if it had even the smallest chance of being accepted...

Rules are seriously bored to read, I've said time and time that they should look like Kongregate's.

Geschreven door clovis1122, 07.04.2015 at 07:36

Geschreven door Pinheiro, 06.04.2015 at 22:41

Geschreven door clovis1122, 06.04.2015 at 17:23

give us some rights and duties, please... you guys are the mods. The rules are our duties, but now give us right...

Perhaps a guideline could be add.

YES, I propose this before. Don't remember in which post.

In Kongregate there is no rule, but a guideline (And a pretty fun one )

They tell you how you should behave, how you shouldn't, what you should avoid, damm... Even they specify at the start "This is not a complete list of rules, just a good list of suggestions for how to best keep out of trouble." That makes it nice as when people hear the word "rule" they usually tend to be some kind of... cannot explain

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IMO having a guideline instead of a set of rules is A LOT more useful, maybe a bit longer, but still useful. Make it enjoyable to read

I suggest mods to re-work on the rules and make a guideline based on Kongregate, but adapted to AtWar. Here's the link of conduct:

http://www.kongregate.com/pages/conduct

Here's a small paragraph, at the end of the conduct, related to Moderatorship:

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Now I am excited and really hope this to happen, else I wouldn't lead my own post to off-topic

I support a brand new look for the rules btw, but rather ask mods about it. Community's opinion doesn't matter much...

Sorry to burst your bubble but the rules are not something that need "a new visual look". Unlike the threads you linked to the rules are an official document, and just like any official document the rules must be neutral, in 3rd person and in a formal format. Adding colours to it would break the latter.

Also I want to point out that the threads you linked to have not received a makeover they have simply been updated. Very minute changes have been from the original thread.

@Clovis, Kongregate is very different game compared to AtWar, it is a collection of multiple games with players spread across all of them. The only single unified chat location is the forum, the lack of multiple chat locations greatly reduce spam and therefore heavy rules are not really essential.

I'll conclude with this, the way it is now the rules are correctly divided into a few major area for easy navigation. The text are straightforward and easy to comprehend making it the perfect balance for new players and veterans alike.

Geschreven door Meester, 15.02.2016 at 08:51

the lack of multiple chat locations greatly reduce spam and therefore heavy rules are not really essential.

How are heavy rules related to the way they're written? Do you refer to the way their mods enforce the rules compared to the way that mods does here? I can assure you that their mods are a lot more harsh than our, specially with the COPPA.

Geschreven door Meester, 15.02.2016 at 08:51

Unlike the threads you linked to the rules are an official document, and just like any official document the rules must be neutral, in 3rd person and in a formal format.

There is simply no point on writing something that your public won't understand. It doesn't makes sense to write a "formalized" text to a informal public. Rather than that I would go for a neutral, 2nd person and 'informal' guideline which would serve it's purpose better than the current rules does. Being said, I disagree with the follow:

Geschreven door Meester, 15.02.2016 at 08:51

the way it is now the rules are correctly divided into a few major area for easy navigation. The text are straightforward and easy to comprehend making it the perfect balance for new players and veterans alike.

Unless you're writing the rules so a lawyer can come and appeal them I simply don't see the point on formalizing it. Making the people understand, and get familiar with it is what I believe the "rules" should'be focused to.

Anyway, if you do really plan to write rules so they can be appealed by a lawyer or other peson (which I don't think is great for atWar) then you should give a look at DN's rules. They advice you the punishment beforehand, which greatly reduce the "bias" that could happen. Context matters like in all sites just that the punishment can't be arbitrary.

http://forum.duelingnetwork.com/index.php?/cp/7-rules-and-punishments

Geschreven door clovis1122, 15.02.2016 at 09:21

How are heavy rules related to the way they're written? Do you refer to the way their mods enforce the rules compared to the way that mods does here? I can assure you that their mods are a lot more harsh than our, specially with the COPPA.

Like I said on Kongregate there is only one primary public chat channels, the forum(and maybe that chat room on the homepage). Spam and abuse of public chat channels is the primary reason for mutes on both Kongregate and AtWar. The basic chat protocol and cheating in the rules on both sites are almost similar. Difference being the way things are handled in AtWar. In AtWar multiple chat channels(game,help, global, room, radio?) all lead to more spam. Couple that in with players not knowing how to ignore and the ignore feature not working half of the time and you go a recipe for disaster.

I do however like your suggestion on harsher punishment. Though I can only imagine the uproar the next time someone is muted for 7 days instead of 3.

Geschreven door clovis1122, 15.02.2016 at 09:21

There is simply no point on writing something that your public won't understand. It doesn't makes sense to write a "formalized" text to a informal public. Rather than that I would go for a neutral, 2nd person and 'informal' guideline which would serve it's purpose better than the current rules does. Being said, I disagree with the follow...

...Unless you're writing the rules so a lawyer can come and appeal them I simply don't see the point on formalizing it. Making the people understand, and get familiar with it is what I believe the "rules" should'be focused to.

I won't waste much time arguing about the formalities of the rules. As it is the admins want the rules to be a formal document, it was designed and been updated with this in mind. I've already made my case on why I think the rules are simple and straightforward. You really don't get more simple than:

1.2. Exploiting any bug to gain an unfair advantage in the game and/or communicating the existence of any such bug (either directly or through public posting) to any other user is not permitted.

Sure some rules could be simpler but dumbing things down is not always the way to go. Something you're just going to need to put in the extra effort to understand.

Geschreven door clovis1122, 15.02.2016 at 09:28

http://forum.duelingnetwork.com/index.php?/cp/7-rules-and-punishments

This I like I will see what I can do to add it in next time.

Yea sure, also add some animations to the rules too so we can make them look as much childish and non serious as possible

Geschreven door Meester, 15.02.2016 at 09:43

You really don't get more simple than:

1.2. Exploiting any bug to gain an unfair advantage in the game and/or communicating the existence of any such bug (either directly or through public posting) to any other user is not permitted.

The part where we all should'be banned for telling someone how to pass through land shortcuts. Small things like this are obvious flaws, for not name major ones (rewall, serbian wall, zoombug, etc) which exploits an unintended mechanic (bug).

I guess nothing can be done if the administrators were the ones who wanted it formalized.

Afterwind rules in simple format

1. Don't be a dick.

Geschreven door AlBoZzZ, 15.02.2016 at 09:47

Yea sure, also add some animations to the rules too so we can make them look as much childish and non serious as possible

So, something on your level?

Theses rules are even better than kong, xaxa.
+Gives power to mods to act on whatever is not written there, but also offer the user an appealing system.
+Gives some freedom (don't we all minimod sometimes?) to mods to do their job
+Incredibly and ridiculously short!

Geschreven door clovis1122, 15.02.2016 at 09:28

Anyway, if you do really plan to write rules so they can be appealed by a lawyer or other peson (which I don't think is great for atWar) then you should give a look at DN's rules. They advice you the punishment beforehand, which greatly reduce the "bias" that could happen. Context matters like in all sites just that the punishment can't be arbitrary.

http://forum.duelingnetwork.com/index.php?/cp/7-rules-and-punishments

with those rules we all would be perma banned

Geschreven door IHavok, 18.02.2016 at 07:52

Geschreven door clovis1122, 15.02.2016 at 09:28

Anyway, if you do really plan to write rules so they can be appealed by a lawyer or other peson (which I don't think is great for atWar) then you should give a look at DN's rules. They advice you the punishment beforehand, which greatly reduce the "bias" that could happen. Context matters like in all sites just that the punishment can't be arbitrary.

http://forum.duelingnetwork.com/index.php?/cp/7-rules-and-punishments

with those rules we all would be perma banned

e Mare approve theses rules!

Sharing personal information or even a Facebook page of someone = IP ban

havok: Hi Clovis
clovis1122: reported for sharing my name.
You have been banned by ~Mods!

AW rules are like the 10 commandments, no alterations allowed

Geschreven door Croat, 15.02.2016 at 08:18

Guide to AtWar (by Google Chrome) -----> http://hr.atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=24500

wtf

Stop clovis, stop.