9/11, and No Guns means No Right to Self-Defense

I wouldn't sleep comfortably knowing guys like him own 50 guns.

Shut up, ban weapons and enjoy some cake

Geschreven door Tirpitz406, 08.05.2015 at 13:48

Shut up, ban weapons and enjoy some cake

But cmon Tirp didn't you hear the guy? ...statistically more weapons = less crime and his argument is comparing USA to Mexico and ranting about how more people die in car accidents.

Excuse me sir but, cars are made to travel from point A to point B ...guns only purpose is killing.

This isn't really about terrorists...

EDIT: but well actually on the example of recent attack in Bosnia ...i guess i would like to have a gun in that kind of a situation.
Its really a debatable question all of this ...you can't remove guns of the streets, or fanatics and mad man getting their hands on guns.

Funny suggestion came from a comedian ...sell bullets for 1000 dollar each, no one is worth trowing a 1000 dollars on him.

Guns don't kill people banks do!

Damn it, give me my transcript already...

I really should buy some speakers.

Guns don't kill people bullets do, get it right.

You have to play for the 1% who are such fuckwits that they ruin it for everyone.

You are allowed to have a gun because you are a responsible person but Sarah has a gun and shot her kids. Thank you Sarah.

If you don't have a gun you are basically defenseless (unless you know some fighting style or martial art but how many people do?). Some guy with a kitchen knife has control over your life

You have the ILLUSION that you are safe. That the police will save you. But the police arrives Afterwards. By the time the police is there, your brain has already been beat out.

Yeah lots of idiots will use them to kill people - but they will never do it when they know other people around have guns. Guns prevent crimes

Besides, we have religion which is so great. Surely, people will not kill because religion prevent them from doing so. How do we determine reality? We look at proof. I mean, we have proof. There are no gun crimes, are there? Religion prevents them. xaxaxxa

Geschreven door Unleashed, 11.05.2015 at 07:31

If you don't have a gun you are basically defenseless (unless you know some fighting style or martial art but how many people do?). Some guy with a kitchen knife has control over your life

You have the ILLUSION that you are safe. That the police will save you. But the police arrives Afterwards. By the time the police is there, your brain has already been beat out.

Yeah lots of idiots will use them to kill people - but they will never do it when they know other people around have guns. Guns prevent crimes

if some guy with a knife has control over your life, what is some guy with a full automatic rifle going to do?

I can see the validity of both arguments (yes, before you rant about it, I still can't see videos, just offering my general opinion here).

Personally, I lean towards supporting the right of lawful citizens to own firearms.

Basically, my opinion is that if the police can't find a certain weapon anyways, the law should allow it, unless it's a weapon of blind destruction (like, say, a bomb).

The police cannot really tell which people are carrying a pistol under their coat, unless they conduct intrusive searches. It simply isn't realistic. So it's fairly reasonable to allow them to be carried.

The police can tell very easily which people are riding around in light tanks, or carrying a machine gun. So these can (and in my opinion should) be banned.

Geschreven door International, 11.05.2015 at 11:08

I can see the validity of both arguments (yes, before you rant about it, I still can't see videos, just offering my general opinion here).

Personally, I lean towards supporting the right of lawful citizens to own firearms.

Basically, my opinion is that if the police can't find a certain weapon anyways, the law should allow it, unless it's a weapon of blind destruction (like, say, a bomb).

The police cannot really tell which people are carrying a pistol under their coat, unless they conduct intrusive searches. It simply isn't realistic. So it's fairly reasonable to allow them to be carried.

The police can tell very easily which people are riding around in light tanks, or carrying a machine gun. So these can (and in my opinion should) be banned.

so, your opinion is that everyone who wants to be safe should walk around carrying a full automatic rifle because anyone else can walk around with one too that they could pontetally kill you with?
afterall you didnt disagree with this:

Geschreven door Unleashed, 11.05.2015 at 07:31

Some guy with a kitchen knife has control over your life

No guns and everyone is vulnerable or everyone with guns so everyone is a possible serial killer?? That's the question!

Geschreven door Tirpitz406, 11.05.2015 at 11:21

so, your opinion is that everyone who wants to be safe should walk around carrying a full automatic rifle because anyone else can walk around with one too that they could pontetally kill you with?
afterall you didnt disagree with this:

Geschreven door Unleashed, 11.05.2015 at 07:31

Some guy with a kitchen knife has control over your life

That sounds about right.

The concept doesn't appeal to me - it'll probably be better if everyone's disarmed - but I don't think a national disarmament is plausible in the United States anytime in the next quarter century or so, precisely for the reason I've described. Guns are difficult to immediately notice.

The fact being, since the United States can't stop criminals from being armed, I'd prefer everyone else to be allowed to arm themselves as well.

People act like criminals follow gun laws lol, all those laws do are unarm lawfull citizens.

Geschreven door Helly, 11.05.2015 at 23:49

People act like criminals follow gun laws lol, all those laws do are unarm lawfull citizens.

take a look at most countries with gun laws they've lower gun violence

making weapons harder to get for the public also makes it harder for criminals making something harder to obtain lessen the chance of that item being used to kill people not to mention the amount of people who simply die from accidents with guns

Geschreven door Exo-K, 12.05.2015 at 04:40

Geschreven door Helly, 11.05.2015 at 23:49

People act like criminals follow gun laws lol, all those laws do are unarm lawfull citizens.

take a look at most countries with gun laws they've lower gun violence

making weapons harder to get for the public also makes it harder for criminals making something harder to obtain lessen the chance of that item being used to kill people not to mention the amount of people who simply die from accidents with guns

That might be the single most stupid thing iv ever heard, my uncle back in the 89s used to gun run in the 80s in Europe and literally transfered 200,000 weapons of varying degree into your gun banned nations. Your gun laws stop petty criminals and civilians, and they can feed you whatever bogus statistic they want. All I know is you got mobs of Muslims imposing sharia law in suburbs over there and people are getting there heads chopped off, so I'm sorry of I don't understand your culture. While if America did not have guns you'd have a massive facistl corporate entity imposing false flag operations globally as they conquer one nation after another on there way to a one world government controled by profiteering and harsh surveillance. The guns in America stop a massivly corrupt government from acting in blatant disregard of all the laws of man. Instead they have to be sneaky about it and perform there atrocities in a semi-legal way so there complacent sheeple don't overthrow them, thus giving the world a chance to defend itself. While all the nato countries are pretty much just american puppet states further pushing America's goals, that's why you don't got guns, so you can never rebel no matter what your government does.

Geschreven door Exo-K, 12.05.2015 at 04:40

Geschreven door Helly, 11.05.2015 at 23:49

People act like criminals follow gun laws lol, all those laws do are unarm lawfull citizens.

take a look at most countries with gun laws they've lower gun violence

making weapons harder to get for the public also makes it harder for criminals making something harder to obtain lessen the chance of that item being used to kill people not to mention the amount of people who simply die from accidents with guns

That might be the single most stupid thing iv ever heard, my uncle back in the 80s used to gun run in the in Europe and literally transfered 200,000 weapons of varying degree into your gun banned nations. Your gun laws stop petty criminals and civilians, and they can feed you whatever bogus statistic they want. All I know is you got mobs of Muslims imposing sharia law in suburbs over there and people are getting there heads chopped off, so I'm sorry of I don't understand your culture. While if America did not have guns you'd have a massive facistl corporate entity imposing false flag operations globally as they conquer one nation after another on there way to a one world government controled by profiteering and harsh surveillance. The guns in America stop a massivly corrupt government from acting in blatant disregard of all the laws of man. Instead they have to be sneaky about it and perform there atrocities in a semi-legal way so there complacent sheeple don't overthrow them, thus giving the world a chance to defend itself. While all the nato countries are pretty much just american puppet states further pushing America's goals, that's why you don't got guns, so you can never rebel no matter what your government does.

...HellRaiser is really overreacting. Europe is nice, in terms of livability. Let's not deny that.

Switzerland clearly shows that liberal gun laws are compatible with freedom and happiness. So why bother banning it?

Geschreven door International, 11.05.2015 at 20:36

That sounds about right.

The concept doesn't appeal to me - it'll probably be better if everyone's disarmed - but I don't think a national disarmament is plausible in the United States anytime in the next quarter century or so, precisely for the reason I've described. Guns are difficult to immediately notice.

The fact being, since the United States can't stop criminals from being armed, I'd prefer everyone else to be allowed to arm themselves as well.

"i'm sorry, kids, nobody passed the test, we'll have to write another one"



better come prepared to school for more insane dropouts...

srsly, change something, just dont allow weapons to be sold to everyone, less weapons being sold means less weapons being produced means less weapons being out there as they will break sooner or later. it wont work instantly yea, but it will make it harder for a criminal to get a weapon.

You must have no criminal record, you must have a mental evaluation, you must be over the age of 21. Guns are not for everyone in america.

Geschreven door Helly, 12.05.2015 at 17:30

You must have no criminal record, you must have a mental evaluation, you must be over the age of 21. Guns are not for everyone in america.

Yea but does are the registered weapons and gun owners ...guns are not for everyone but im guessing a problem in America might be that anyone can get a gun.

Geschreven door Exo-K, 12.05.2015 at 04:40

Geschreven door Helly, 11.05.2015 at 23:49

People act like criminals follow gun laws lol, all those laws do are unarm lawfull citizens.

take a look at most countries with gun laws they've lower gun violence

making weapons harder to get for the public also makes it harder for criminals making something harder to obtain lessen the chance of that item being used to kill people not to mention the amount of people who simply die from accidents with guns

Is that why gun crimes went up after the UK banned handguns?

Geschreven door Unleashed, 11.05.2015 at 07:31

Some guy with a kitchen knife has control over your life.

Or a woman you love can have the same effect. Why so negative?

Geschreven door Unleashed, 11.05.2015 at 07:31

Guns prevent crimes.

I disagree. There are many studies on Central American crime rates and they point at some interesting correlations: 80% of homicides are carried out with firearms, there is a huge presence of firearms among the population (as a result of US influenced "National Security" doctrine that has established a violence based political and social culture)... always with the massive presence of firearms. (list can go on an arguments debated; not in a polemic way.)

It is right to say that firearms do not kill, but the make it easier. Thus, they have to be considered as a trigger of violence.

Geschreven door Tirpitz406, 11.05.2015 at 09:04

if some guy with a knife has control over your life, what is some guy with a full automatic rifle going to do?

I'm not so much for people owning those anyway. I think a small firearm is enough.

But to answer your quesiton: Nothing, because I would have my own rifle, and the guy next to me would surely have a pistol and he'd get his brains blown out if he attempted to shoot someone.

Criminals can get guns illegally anyway. Why can't I get one legally to defend myself?

Geschreven door Columna Durruti, 13.05.2015 at 00:36

Or a woman you love can have the same effect. Why so negative?

In that case find out what's wrong with you for choosing these kinds of women. Lmao

Geschreven door International, 11.05.2015 at 20:36

The fact being, since the United States can't stop criminals from being armed, I'd prefer everyone else to be allowed to arm themselves as well.

Correct.

Geschreven door Tirpitz406, 12.05.2015 at 12:31

You are blaming guns when some kid shoots up a school but nobody will look at the real issue. That kid is attacked from all angles and feels like killing himself. -> bullying -> stems from trauma (the kid being bullied or beat up at home will then repeat the behaviour and inflict it on others) . Solution: stop child abuse, ostracize parents. If you get shot, what do you do, cover up the wound, or get that bullet out first and do whatever else is necessary for healing? Obviously the latter. So to solve something we go at the root issue.

But no we can't do that. Because 80-90% of people are child abusers, and it takes too long, and we love beating kids. Ban guns instead.

And now someone will read this and call it bullshit or be repelled by it. My ideas are for a perfect utopia and we are light years away. Keep religion around and ban guns instead, it's gonna solve the issue

Geschreven door Unleashed, 13.05.2015 at 04:03

If you get shot, what do you do, cover up the wound, or get that bullet out first and do whatever else is necessary for healing?

Actually, getting the bullet out of the wound is a pretty bad idea, once the bullet stops moving its harmless and surgeons leave the bullet inside while repairing the damage ...removing it may cause severe bleeding. So cover up the wound is a better idea before you get medical help.
Movies and TV shows man ...also don't fire your gun like a gangsta cuz you will have the accuracy of a storm trooper xD