Worldgames ruined.
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Geplaatst door Waffel, 25.02.2014 - 10:02
I already made another topic about Scenarios VS worldmaps. It is kinda annoying how some people enjoy playing worldmaps but getting ruined by others. People are like crying if they have to wait for a full game. Saying like: If you wait this long the people will leave and it will never get filled. It was ages ago for me playing a worldmap. And today I started one. Took like 5/7 mins to get full game after spamming and advertising. When the game started there was like 1 guy I don't remember his name anymore, but he was saying like make it 6 mins and stuff and everybody was like gtfo and no we dont want this and that. The guy said that everytime he made a game, alot of people changed his settings and turned into a game he disliked.
I agree with him, If I make FFA I almost have to disagree with the proposes everyturn to change the ally maximum. After we filled up the game with trouble we started.
I put the game settings with 1 ally maximum because of the crying people. After 2 turns already 4 guys left. And turn 5 there were just 6 guys left. I am thinking like why do people choose a spot in a game. willing too know they would leave in 5 turns? Its such annoying that in almost every game besides 3v3's, there are ''lowrankers'' getting scared of what they call 'high-rankers'' but still pick a spot? And not only low rankers, there are also rank 7 and 6 being scared for people with a higher rank? Srsly DAFUQ? Since when does a number gives you the skills...? The thing is. Before this upgrade of afterwind(atwar) alot of shit changed. Much people quit and much people came. But the problem with the people who came is. They play 24/7 Scenarios or do play worldgames/europemaps but only ally with EVERY GUY AROUND THEM? After they are done with playing(mostly even after leaving the game)they call it boring and go back to scenarios? Like lolz forreal? This game has to nerf some stuff. Alot of old members which played alot worldgames are getting bored and just stay online for the chats. If you make the maps 8-15 or 6-15 almost nobody will join. So thats also out of option.
I made some screenshots to proof my point.
America and south america had 5 people. But because of the allying everybody left. And because of that the guys who allied eachother also left because it was ''boring''? Logic? Lmao.
This is the turn after that screenshot.. Like 4 or 5 more guys left.
Turn 5 and from 20/20 to 6/20? I hope you guys the my point.
And ofcourse the scenario addicted newplayers will hate on this tho. (Cpt.magic)
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^ is what is killing world games thanks to cpt magic & company
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I can see a bright future for AW
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Probably get a bonus in when you get eliminated, maybe get to keep 75% of sp gained instead of 50%
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100 75 50 0 sounds good, someone should make a thread suggesting the idea.
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Games like Warcraft 3 had a feature: when you join a FFA you're automatically renamed to Player X, so no one can contact you. Perhaps it could be an option bought with protocoins? Whenever someone joins a game created this way, they're automatically incognitoed and chat is disabled.
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And my earlier point is utterly reinforced by this message.
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Wath the OP describes is the reason why I stay out of all FFA games, be it Scenarios or Standard map. It seems impossible to get any fun out of them, because either you end up surrounded by 4-5 lowranks who all ally up against you and fag you to death, or if their turn 3 all units rush fails, they leave instantly, so no SPs are to be gained any more. In fixed team games however, especially in large scenarios like WW1 or WW2, a single guy quitting or missing up usually doesn't ruin everything and ally fagging is not possible either. But as long as there is no real punishment for quitting and no way to enforce rules to not allow ally fagging, the situation will not improve, and it seems like the AtWar makers are unwilling to do anything about this. - When starting a game, give an option to only allow players with less than X quitting rate - Add a locked rules option to disallow rule revoting during game - Give SP bonus maybe for players staying the longest in a game, like last one left gets X, 2nd last a little less than X and so on. -> Most of the problems would be solved.
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Reduce the worldmap to all non premiums -> problem solved
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You are part of the problem, Dickface. You quit games already after only loosing your general even tho you could play on for an hour still. Changing world maps to premium only won't change a thing about that.
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You are right, somethimes i leave a game without any reason... "Changing world maps to premium only won't change a thing about that." i know, only change this won t change this. an other reason is the "collateral damage" i can choose between "fight against my direct opponent and destroy my futur economy forever or allyfag him and reduce my radius of operation. After i killed this people next to me, i perform a risk analysis. If the rest opponents are more than twice as big as me, ill leave the game. Thats the main reason why i left so many games after i killed my direct opponents.
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I really don't know where this comes from, when you are one of the biggest complainants about the current world game situation? Does it become any less of a good game only because you can't win it anymore? Yesterday we had an incredibly high-ranked stacked FFA world game, where for the first 27 rounds I fought it out with Desu alone in East-Asia, while Pakistan was slowly creeping up on us. We both knew that we would be eaten up by Pakistan eventually, yet we kept on fighting each other and it was probably the best world game I had in years. I also find it highly disrespectful towards the other players to just abondon a game so early in. What if we both had left at that point, leaving East-Asia for Pakistan to grab? The game would have been ruined for the 5-6 or so players still left. I really question your motifs there, son. A "good old world game" is not only defined by your chances of winning it. It's first and foremost only about playing it. Atleast have the decency to play on. You never know what might happen in such a game, which is the biggest single factor that makes world games so incredibly good.
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Honestly, I fully agree with learster! By the way learster that was surely one of the best world games anyone has seen in a while. I was useless and extremely weak though.
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What you need to understand is that once a game becomes "popular" specifically ftp games. More people join because it's "free" rather then because they want to be good. This results in the ratio of noob to ok to pro level changing. The amount of Noobs rise the "ok" people rise aswell and the pro players rise aswell. The only problem right now is the "ok" and pro people (in theory) do not overmatch the number of noob players. This hinders the ok group from growing and as the situation deteriorates. Pro players start to leave. Luckily, from my perspective, UN has mostly bottled up the noob players as they don't bother to ruin other peoples games, or they have started to learn the way of the pros and have become average. Also, the ratio of noobs to everyone else is not as extreme as in the description above, but it is a bit close. Congrats, I have wasted 3min. of your life reading this thing.
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I was also thinking about this, Just to disable the chat but would be kinda boring :/.. I kinda dont know how to fix this secretallying tho..
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Absolutely love this suggestion, I think this would assist in a lot of the problems experienced in ffa. Of course some extremely dedicated alliance player might still contact his buddy on skype and ask which country did you pick? Please don'y attack india, that's me lol.Still love the suggestion though .:):):)
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Worldgames should get back, RPS SHOULD GET OUT
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RP best world game!!!!!
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RP, best income,lots of reinforcment, But I hate Diplomacy games, " i declare war on...". ruins surprises attack
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Sorry for ruin your fun, but most RP units( like the "tanks" you use) are Ground: Other type of unit. RA boost Ground: Main attack units, therefore, your tanks categorized as "Ground: Other" doesnt get any boost from the strategy even if they are "tanks". WOOPS SECRET REVEALED SORRY.
It sound strange for me that such words comes from highranks. I mean, at least most highranks who play 3vs3, are used to say " you lost germany. GG we lost." " Lol you failed kiev and your 105 stack got destroyed. GG we lost". " he capped you with 50 units... nothing we can do let leave". My response was away the same: " Why?". They say " lol is about time you'l die." And yet I dry up because money, troop, or any other factor. HOWEVER I also had turned so many 3vs3/ cw games that people though it was a sure loss into a great victory, or at least, a close fight. Even remember when me and laochra where fighting in asia, you already had full europe + middle east and capped pakistan. I told lao " if we stop this fight now we can still beat learster. he say " learster full europe too OP. better kill each others and have some fun lol. I told him that I will leave all my suff emply but he to at least try, but he say " nah I am leaving anyway" and emplied indochina for me ( where you was actually landing with neaby full india city). It was a tough match but in the end I made the impossible, I made you lose india, . I surrender turn 47 because game was over by ~100 SP difference, but even in those condition I grave a good fight didnt I?  Is about to know when to surrender and when to no... In most chases is good to never surrender but you cant exagerate it at the point of a WWII where we had to take 7 turns for kill brazil since he say " fight until the end" when all his allies left/lose. Support the last stand idea, however, in scenarios it shouldnt be implemented.
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Eh, my biggest issue is what happens 10-15 turns into a world game. If I fought and killed 3 people in asia, I'm left with minimal units that can't face the incoming waves of 50-200 unit stacks from those who have expanded those 10-15 units instead of fighting. This can't be directly blamed on allyfagging. Sometimes there really is nobody to fight. Sometimes people in the same continent as you quit before you have the chance to fight. Sometimes people had noobs that were easily run over instead of having to face stronger players. The only viable solution I can think of is expanding the maximum amount of players to 30 or even 40, but keep this option for only world map. More players=more fighting=balanced unit count.
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And clovis. Most of these ''high rankers'' who say ''gg we lost'' are those ''look-at-me-trolls'' like syrian and stuff. never but never trying to actually end a game and just leave the game. Lame ass stuff.
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I miss unbanned unleashed :<
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I miss old Waffel
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