Guerrilla Warfare: The Statistics
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Over the past number of weeks there has been a lot of discussion on Guerrilla Warfare and it's power. All these posts have been trying to address the problem with Guerrilla Warfare logically, with a general consensus among the top tier players that it is imbalanced. Unfortunately there are still some apologists who are trying to excuse the imbalance through meaningless arguments. Now, we are going to look at things statistically. Cold, hard numbers.
Considering each strategy is unique in it's cost, attack, range, etc, we are going to break them down into Cost Per 1 Attack (CPA) and Cost Per 1 Defence (CPD)
This is done by dividing the attacking/defending power of the strategy's main attack/defence by the cost.
So for example, if I wanted to find the CPA of Blitzkrieg: 120 / 8 = $15
In the interest of clarity, the in-game currency used to purchase a unit will be referred to as "$".
Lucky Bastard has been given +1.5 attack due to it's potential tank and infantry attacking power.
Iron Fist has been given +1 attack and +1.5 defence to compensate for its HP.
Great Combinator has been excluded from this sample as it is the outlier. It would not be represented accurately using this method.
Cost Per Attack
*Main attack unit's cost / attack*
Blitzkrieg: $15
Desert Storm: $16.25
Hybrid Warfare: $14.44
Imperialist: $12.86
Iron Fist: $13.33
Lucky Bastard: $13.68
Master of Stealth: $15
Naval Commander: $15.45
Perfect Defence: $17.14
Relentless Attack: $11.25
Sky Menace: $16.25
Most cost efficient attack: Guerrilla Warfare: $10
Cost Per Defence
*Main defence unit's cost / defence*
Blitzkrieg: $12.5
Desert Storm: $11.1
Hybrid Warfare: $9
Imperialist: $5
Iron Fist: $8.7
Lucky Bastard: $10
Master of Stealth: $10
Naval Commander: $20 (Naval) 10$ (Land)
Perfect Defence: $7.14
Relentless Attack: $13.3
Sky Menace: $10
Most cost-efficient defence: Guerrilla Warfare: $5, Imperialist: $5
So, Guerrilla Warfare is the most cost efficient strategy to attack with AND to defend with. That's not enough?
Cost Per Range
*Cost of Main Attack, Main Defence and Secondary Defence / Average Range
Blitzkrieg: $9.58
Desert Storm: $11.5
Hybrid Warfare: $13.75
Imperialist: $9.33
Iron Fist: $24.4
Lucky Bastard: $15.33
Master of Stealth: $15.7
Naval Commander: $ 12.3(Naval) $15.7 (Land)
Perfect Defence: $13.33
Relentless Attack: $13.13
Sky Menace: $9.2
Guerrilla Warfare: $12 ($11 if you exclude infantry, as they are almost never used by GW)
Most cost-efficient range: Sky Menace, Imperialist, Blitzkrieg, Guerrilla Warfare.
It also ranks 4th in range efficiency out of 13 strategies in the game, including Blitzkrieg, who's WHOLE PURPOSE is range.
I hear one apologist in particular argue; "but my air transports cost 750".
The whole point of Air Transports is to move units faster from one city so they can defend another city. If your main attack unit is Invisible there's no NEED to move these defensive units so urgently. This depletes the value of the air transport drastically.
In summary:
•Most cost efficient attack
•Most cost efficient defence
•Top strategy for range
•Invisible Main Attack
•Gain your main defence unit every time you capture a country (e.g take Belarus with 4 marines, get 5 militia in return)
There really is no defending GW anymore. Open your eyes.
Remove the City Defence Bonus for GW Militia.
-1 Attack For Militia
Considering each strategy is unique in it's cost, attack, range, etc, we are going to break them down into Cost Per 1 Attack (CPA) and Cost Per 1 Defence (CPD)
This is done by dividing the attacking/defending power of the strategy's main attack/defence by the cost.
So for example, if I wanted to find the CPA of Blitzkrieg: 120 / 8 = $15
In the interest of clarity, the in-game currency used to purchase a unit will be referred to as "$".
Lucky Bastard has been given +1.5 attack due to it's potential tank and infantry attacking power.
Iron Fist has been given +1 attack and +1.5 defence to compensate for its HP.
Great Combinator has been excluded from this sample as it is the outlier. It would not be represented accurately using this method.
Cost Per Attack
*Main attack unit's cost / attack*
Blitzkrieg: $15
Desert Storm: $16.25
Hybrid Warfare: $14.44
Imperialist: $12.86
Iron Fist: $13.33
Lucky Bastard: $13.68
Master of Stealth: $15
Naval Commander: $15.45
Perfect Defence: $17.14
Relentless Attack: $11.25
Sky Menace: $16.25
Most cost efficient attack: Guerrilla Warfare: $10
Cost Per Defence
*Main defence unit's cost / defence*
Blitzkrieg: $12.5
Desert Storm: $11.1
Hybrid Warfare: $9
Imperialist: $5
Iron Fist: $8.7
Lucky Bastard: $10
Master of Stealth: $10
Naval Commander: $20 (Naval) 10$ (Land)
Perfect Defence: $7.14
Relentless Attack: $13.3
Sky Menace: $10
Most cost-efficient defence: Guerrilla Warfare: $5, Imperialist: $5
So, Guerrilla Warfare is the most cost efficient strategy to attack with AND to defend with. That's not enough?
Cost Per Range
*Cost of Main Attack, Main Defence and Secondary Defence / Average Range
Blitzkrieg: $9.58
Desert Storm: $11.5
Hybrid Warfare: $13.75
Imperialist: $9.33
Iron Fist: $24.4
Lucky Bastard: $15.33
Master of Stealth: $15.7
Naval Commander: $ 12.3(Naval) $15.7 (Land)
Perfect Defence: $13.33
Relentless Attack: $13.13
Sky Menace: $9.2
Guerrilla Warfare: $12 ($11 if you exclude infantry, as they are almost never used by GW)
Most cost-efficient range: Sky Menace, Imperialist, Blitzkrieg, Guerrilla Warfare.
It also ranks 4th in range efficiency out of 13 strategies in the game, including Blitzkrieg, who's WHOLE PURPOSE is range.
I hear one apologist in particular argue; "but my air transports cost 750".
The whole point of Air Transports is to move units faster from one city so they can defend another city. If your main attack unit is Invisible there's no NEED to move these defensive units so urgently. This depletes the value of the air transport drastically.
In summary:
•Most cost efficient attack
•Most cost efficient defence
•Top strategy for range
•Invisible Main Attack
•Gain your main defence unit every time you capture a country (e.g take Belarus with 4 marines, get 5 militia in return)
There really is no defending GW anymore. Open your eyes.
Remove the City Defence Bonus for GW Militia.
-1 Attack For Militia
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What? GW is usable as ukr and as ger.Nothing else.Unless u go GW UK or GW ITA or GW spain or GW turk or GW poland? Or gw fra? Even if your argument was correct,same logic as yours,ppl use PD literally EVERYWHERE.So its OP nerf it!
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im not talking about eu+ only u competitive narb
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I already said OUTSIDE of 1V1. Of course you'd lose to GW in a duel, I'd honestly ignore it besides suggesting that AtWar allows you to disable SPECIFIC strategies. There are plenty of other strats you can duel someone with besides GW. If it TRULY is THAT OP, make it so you can disable individual strategies. Because if you nerf GW for such a SPECIFIC circumstance as a DUEL, you're going to ruin its viability in other conditions. Outside of 1v1s show me where / when / why you people think GW MUST be nerfed.
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For the sake of evidence, I'd like to see Win Rates with different strategies from different players. Win Rates ordered by highest to lowest winning strats. Compare that list with the Strats as ordered originally in this thread. If you are strictly looking at the competitive mode, I'd say tough. GW hardly works outside 1v1s, so if you nerf the strat outright you will eliminate its value outside 1v1s. PD works for competitive and casual players, that makes it more OP than GW in my book. You can run PD in a 3v3 context, with GW not so much. The other thing I'd like to know is what Amok/Ivan's direction was for strategies, how they hoped the strats would play into and against each other.
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gw gets rekt in whole map in 10k in close quarters..... Only way for gw to win is to be left alone and expand.... Also in higher funds it becomes obsolete....Ppl use SM in 50k so i guess it needs nerf? Your point has already failed since u admitted that EU isnt all about gw.Far from it actually...
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EU 5k = gw eu 3k = gw eu 10 = italy, ukr, spain, pol gw and gw in custom maps are ridiculously op
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what? 5k isnt gw mostly ist IMP....Gw portugal will lose against bel or gw bel against portugail.... 3k is IMP again and gw that again will die in close quarters.... Eu 10k gw ita? gw spain? gw pol? what? even gw ukr in 10k will lose in ffa if its not alone...... Nope gw isnt op in custom maps,IMP is op in custom maps...All ppl play imp in custom maps.Get your facts straight bro.
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kk nice logic. gw is op lategame. just cus a country cant play fucking gw doesnt mean the strat isnt fucking op and stop talking about eu. Ur acting like everyone can go fucking lb turk sm uk ds france and hw spain. Its just ukr and italy possibly that can fuck up the fair play. u just need a good starting income and from t4 ur self reliant with 70 cost tanks that are in fucking visible.
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thats the whole point of gw to be weak early and op late game.... Like what strat isnt op lategame? PD isnt op lategame? GC? IMP? What druges are u on? You said that gw can be played everywhere not me..... GW can work with particular countries even in world map.GW will get raped if it has opponent close by....Any strat will work with a good starting income lol.... And lastly if you want to see a strat that it can be used literally everywhere,even in 50k,check PD.And tanks have 8att not 7.Also 3 tanks dont fail rs.... Stop doing drugs its bad for your health.
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I think marines and militia should get a movement buff of +1 range, all units should get a defence nerf of -2 and tanks infantry, helicopters, naval trans, destroyers, bombers stealth bombers, and AirTran should get a cost buff of 50 cost. Guerrilla warfare is hit and run, and should be terrible at defence, and countries that imploy such tactics are technologically inferior to there opponent, hence the price buff.
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gw is too op and cheap lategame and its not weak early.
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GW is not OP; it's as good a strat as any. Perhaps it's good with a certain country or in 1 v 1, but it's certainly not OP
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Ds is only usable by ukr/pol and in rare cases spain. Using your shitty logic ds is not overpowered
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Just turn it back to the way it was.. Once again.. there was no need for it to get boosted at all. So stop boosting strategies on 1 point and then when the same strategy is asked to be nerfed, changing it on another point, it inbalances and ruins a solid strategy. You know a strategy isnt fine, when every noob who didn't know how to play suddenly were 'beastin' with a strategy.
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Also how about focus on 1 strategy at a time, since this has been going on for years now, and it looks like the only reason those strategies are getting boosted is bcs nobody plays them. Maybe rather keep thinking about the impact in the future because of the change, before it gets changed.
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You could be imp or HW for all we know.
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Should I remind you of hungary rolls? Also you units were outnumbered by twice of the number of units you had. And finally. are you gw faggots so used to epic rolls that you cry over 5 marines losing to 6 militias? what the fuck is wrong with you?
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the attacker has over 90 units so stacking effect. Just stop posting please. You clearly have no understanding of the game mechanics. In fact people should just stop responding to you. You're wasting forum space.
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stfu you stupid noob u won 1 duel against me out of 200 and think u someone.I dont need gw to beat you.
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Ik about stack effect.Even with stack effect u consider op def 43 losing to 26? You so full of it potato.So if we make gw mil 5def he would have lost how many? 10?
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Oh. I never said I'm someone  Now after we cleared that out you are available to show some actual arguements.
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Marines losing to neutrals happens more than often.3 lose rs,8 lose rc,8 lose berlin,6 lose rnw,3 or even 4 lose warsaw and 2 lose baltics.
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That also happens every single turn with SM bombers that cost as twice as your marines and in many occasions run you out of money. and that is the least of our problems with gws. with gw you litterly steal countries you don't deserve every turn for litterly no cost and in many cases you can bring militias from so many place. the fact that you are crying about it just shows how much you are used to epic and unfair rolls of gw and lb. Also there is no way you had there 43 militias. the turn before you had 10 militias there are you telling me you brought to kiev 33 militias in one turn? let me remind you i had all the cities near kiev when i rushed. and even if we put that aside then you had there 43 militias 1 infnatry 1 marine and 1 air transforts? (46 units. not 45. and let us not mention the fact the militias were at the bottom of the list at your picture).
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dude stop smoking weed or lying idk what of both u doing.... I had 30 mil in kiev and spammed 8 more in reinf turn.And no that doesnt happen with SM.Anyway im done with you i dont discuss with liars.
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Actually you are right. you did have 30 militias there. sorry mate i remembered it wrong. It does happen with SM just play it and see
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FFS WE DONT KNOW EITHER OF YOUR STRATS. Rock could be LB for all we know and you could be blitz. I can post fake ss and claim they are real too.
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Has GW really gotten to be so op O.o , the only real problem ive had when faceing someone using gw is the fast retake spam power of them (tho imp and other strats also easily have if used right) and the doubt of where the enemy might atack (but thats what i thought guerilla warfare was all about). Ive never thought it was a op strat to face, you just gotta play agressive vs a gw player taking advantage of their low range militia spam and low def marines etc , did the rolls for them get buffed or somthing in the past year? :O
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op invisible tanks
now gw op defense
