10.11.2014 - 10:22
"Wow, I completely misread what adog say before support him. Now let me look for a way to manipulate the words, so somehow they agrees with me " ~Thunder. "CLOVIS IS IN THIS POST? OMG REMOVE CLOVIS ***Post without read***" ~Thunder. "Statements? All I know is that I am contradicting clovis" ~Thunder. " Who cares about adog and ranks, I support whatever is against clovis" ~Thunder. "Fuck logic. Remove clovis" ~Thunder. " I agree with you. Who cares, just REMOVE KEBAB" ~SerbianBall about your opinion. "ok, let argue. Is a fact that the sky is red.... (Some pages later....) LOL I clarify now: I was referring to the sky in mars." ~Thunder. " Clovis not only defeat but also destroyed me. I am desperated. Better start insulting and using caps, so this topic get locked and nobody else see me losing" ~Thunder
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10.11.2014 - 10:27
Tell me, where did i said that i support adog? You are contradicting yourself, even in the lame topic that you made to make fun of my "logic" you arrived to a conclusion that contradicted your argument. You have failed to address my statements, is Crystal clear that you can't reply to them without admitting that you are wrong
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10.11.2014 - 14:14
Wtf is wrong with you people. All I have to say. Please everyone use logic and debate it carefully.
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10.11.2014 - 14:44
I just hate when people edit their posts after i quote them, and don't even notify us that they did. Clovis is using a strawman fallacies, because he can't properly answer my questions. Tell us clovis, what requirement did the people in your 2nd list meet, besides being rank 10? Where did i said that i supported all of adogs arguments? You claimed that rank doesn't matter at all, yet you already accepted that games played affect experience. High ranks have more games than low ranks, therefore more experience. I claimed that turns played is a more accurate way to measure experience and ranks. I provided you with evidence supporting this claim. Its a fact that turns played are related to ranks. I have agreed that there is exceptions, but they are few I claimed that short games like duels affect the data, and provided you with evidence for that. I claimed premium has an effect too, and provided you with my opinion about it. You claimed my data is wrong, can you prove rank is not affected by turns played? No you can't, a rank 10 has more turns played than a rank 6-0 You always compare ranks 10 to ranks 10 to "prove" ranks don't matter, but you never compare ranks 10 to ranks 1-5s why? When ask to test the theory of high ranks vs low ranks, you never choose random people, you always pick bad high ranks and good low ranks (specially trained by high ranks) You also never explained why there is not a single low rank clan, getting first place. Or why low ranks don't train other low ranks, or why high ranks are the ones that always end up training people. Why all atwar guides so far are made by high ranks? You also ignored my claim, that tutoring a player, makes the test bias. You also assume that the people that become rank 10, don't learn anything in the progress.
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10.11.2014 - 14:52
It's Tunder, not Thunder, silly
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10.11.2014 - 23:39 Black Shark Account verwijderd Ad hominem
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11.11.2014 - 03:07
Ad hominem = insults. I only made one direct insult, at the start of page 3 when I was already tired. BUT:
New thunder logic: "I know that you, death and witcher are actually rank 11. I also know than you specify the comparion as "other" type of players. I am also awared that you didnt incluides this on your stat, but made a logical conclusion using the random data( This of couse excluiding it from the main data). But damm, I can do nothing more than go off-topic or insult. So since most people wont even read, I will just say they are random rank 10. People will think I am refering to his first group since they know that the second group is filled up more rank 11 than rank 10. AND OF COUSE, I WILL KEEP SAYDING YOU IGNORED MY CLAIM, SO I CAN PROVE SOMENTHING!!!!!" ~Tunder. " I also love when people agrees without read...~RussiaBall about your statement.
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11.11.2014 - 03:24 Black Shark Account verwijderd
Making false quotes to make someone look dumb is something I count as ad hominem. And funny you do the EXACT same thing instead of ACTUALLY DEBATING
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11.11.2014 - 03:36
And nice mind manipulation it seems... @Black Shark , please dont try to charge the definition of Ad hominen. You can have your own and cound whatever you want as it, but dont try to generalize it.
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11.11.2014 - 05:05 Black Shark Account verwijderd I don't see how making someone look dumb is not insulting that perosn, you're not even debating
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11.11.2014 - 07:15
Clovis, stop ignoring this, You keep posting strawman fallacies. You know your 2nd list is completely random and you were talking out of your ass lol admit it
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11.11.2014 - 17:47
I am not making him look dumb... he is making himself look dumb. Did I say " Tunder you are dumb" ? But of couse, different opinions. As I said, you can think whatever you want about somenthing. Your mind is free. So is my mind. But when it comes to generalize, my jokes are just for show how bad constructed are tunder's logic. btw a new one: " CLOVIS PLEASE PLAY ATTENTION TO ME THANKS YOU" ~Tunder. > I never related experience with skills. I say game played is "A GOOD ( in other words, ~80%)" indicator of experience. I also say experience is related to knowledge. But never with skills. Tell me tunder.. You have the experience of being afk for about 3 turns. How can you relate this experience with skills? HUEHUEHUE Of couse, experience makes skills. But there is not a direct relation. There are other factors to be taken into account (Player capacity, for example.) > I also pointed the forums as a source of experience, somenthing in which you either ignored or disagree in the first pages. As I said, a rank 7 which know how to use the forum and had read specialized guides is better than a rank 10 which dont even know that the game have a forum. OH WAIT INB4 Tunder: That is an extreme chase. All than contradict me is an extreme chase. I dont even need to recompilate data for secure you this: I can get more than 10 players rank 9 or higher which doesnt know how to use forums. > Keep talking about my second group please. Dont worry, you can claim all you want so I can laugh at it.
> Claim that you never supported what adog say > Ignored my two claims, asking you for clarify your opinion.
Wanna know why you ignored them? because:
>And even now keep posting. Please do us a favor and go to page 1.
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Nice "opinion" if we can even call it. I wonder if someone appart from you believe this is not an attempt for manipulate data. > There is no clan made by low ranks. > There is no low rank training another low rank.
Some reply later: > LOL I was refering to a competitive clan. MoU and evoL does not count because I clarify than high rank mean from rank 1 upward. But if you know in which rank mou made evoL... >LOL I was refering to a competitive clan. MoU and evoL does not count because I clarify than high rank mean from x rank upward Where x = the rank where mou created evoL. > LOL I was refering low rank teaching advances concepts. And of couse I also know than there are some exeptions. And bla... I am too lazy for answer the other. So please learn to argue and stop shouting for attention. You are making youself look bad. And of couse, how can we ignore: You obvious my iron test. I havent see you beating the lowranks yet.
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11.11.2014 - 20:34
My arguments don't look dumb at all, you turn my arguments into a cartoon form of itself in order to make it look weak and then proceed to attack it with ad-hominems when i am not even talking about that stuff and you don't even address the premise. this is called a strawman fallacy
nobody is talking about skills, this just shows that either you don't read properly or that you didn't understand my response and i must dumb it down for somebody like you to understand Saying that rank is a good indicator of experience, means that rank does matter.
Dude, i already answer this^ it looks that you ignore it like always, go back and read my response, i posted it 3 times. So i will stand with this: In a debate, if you ignore a statement its because its true and you don't wanna admit it.
i can get a nearly infinite number of low ranks that don't know the forum event exists. but this has nothing to do with high rank vs low rank, so your statement is irrelevant
You are ignoring my question regarding your 2nd list, you ignored it 3 times. saying that i didn't address it is a lie So i will stand with this: In a debate, if you ignore a statement its because its true and you don't wanna admit it.
Plz quote me (this is the 3rd time i ask) of were i supported adog's argument? oh wait, you can't, because u are lying. So i will stand with this: In a debate, if you ignore a statement its because its true and you don't wanna admit it. Plz adress this: > There is no clan made by low ranks kicking illyria or mortal kombat ass > There is no low rank training another low rank.
If you think MoU as a low rank had evoL as the best clan in atwar, you are totally retarded MoU got his ass kicked over a 100 times before becoming one of the best players, he had the skill but not the experience needed at the time, as he played more games(turns) he obtained experience and ranked up in the progress. Neither MoU or EvoL started as pro, and didn't become so until late-stages Clovis, i am not gonna make a test of myself killing low ranks to prove a point, its beyond stupid, and even if i did you would accuse me of being bias and picking noobs. but if you are so eager about it, let me pick a random rank 1 from begginers room and if i beat him you delete your acc ;P
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12.11.2014 - 07:18
Oh god.... Tunder away scarecrowing and manipulating what he want. > FOR LOLS, STOP BEING ******* (word skipped for avoid ad hominem) THEY ARE NOT EVEN RANK 10, YOU ARE MAKING YOUSELF LOOK BAD. STOP CLARIFICATING THE SAME, I PUT THEM APPART AS OTHER PLAYERS. YOUR OBVIOUS CLARIFICATION PROVES NOTHING BUT WHAT I ALREADY CLARIFIED. YOU KEEP SAYDING THEY ARE RANK 10 ARE JUST MAKING YOUSELF LOOK (word skipped). 3 OF 5 ARE RANK 11. STOP TRYING TO CONFUSE THEM WITH MY FIRST GROUP, YOU ARE WRONG. MY FIRST DATA PROVES YOUR FACT IS WRONG. THERE IS NO DIRECT RELATION BETWEEN TURNS AND RANK. MY SECOND DATA WAS RANDOM, YET IT PROVES THAN DEATH HAVE MORE SP AND TURNS BUT GOBLIN STILL HAVE MORE GAMES. AND FOR WHAT I KNOW, GOBLIN IS BETTER THAN DEAT. > No premium? Inflation. >Duels? Inflation. >Someone who contradict me? Inflation. > Players from 50 to 63 like stryko? Inflation. > RP? inflation. AND STOP, JESUS, NOBODY TRUST 99% INFLATION SO JUST STOP, YOU ARE WRONG. ok Nice rage. Time to laugh again at your logic:
> Nobody is talking about skills..... Nice manipulating of data. Sorry but I can prove you support adog:
This was your reply: Ignoring the clarification.
And this was my reply to you: Clarify or I will assume that you support adog.
And yet know what? YOU IGNORE!!!!
Clarification 1: Since you are countering me with noob comparion I should either assume you are in the side of adog or just came to this threat for troll me. Answer ( If we can even consider it as one): why do you always assume people are trolling you? or that go off-topic? why do you think you are always right? Does it answer the clarification? NO. You completely ignored it, going for attack me in my second setence. Clarification 2: I warned you. Next plz dont go and say " I didnt say this" or " I didnt agree to this". Since you are against me, I am assuming you are supporting all than adog say. Dont cover out. Answer (If we can even consider this as one): In this topic i support jaredbs argument, <the one that you couldn't read because you got butthurt. Does it makes the clarification? NO. Again, ignoring my question about adog and going to talk about jared's argument. Therefore, since I warned you, my claim is true. You support adog. OH WAIT INB4: Tunder: I say I support what jared say omg that is a valid answer because jared didnt talk about skills. Tunder logic be like: Clarification: Are you going to buy this car? Tunder: I dont have money ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Tunder's conclusion: He wont buy the car Real conclusion: He dont have money. Does it answer the question? NO. The man can have money in his credict card, or call a friend for lend him money, or go to a bank. Sorry but: But WAIT TUNDER MASTER OF CLARIFICATION: "Tunder: Well I forgot to clarify. Now I want to manipulate the words so let just say I forgot to write my clafication. What I mean and now I clarify, is no, I dont support adog. I only support jared." XAXAXAXAXA Guess what, Jared support adog too! And jared also talks about skills!
Guess what: Both adog and jared support rank as an indicator of skills!!! You are wrong. Your lack of reading made you support whatever is against me:
Just for bump in a new one: "Tunder: I think I am going to enter to the vault Police: Dont enter there, or we will take you as a criminal Tunder: ***Ignoring the police, and entering to the vault*** Police: We warned you ***Taking tunder with a handcuff , and leaving him in the police*** (Later on...) Tunder: OMG YOU CANNOT PROVE I DID SOMENTHING, I AM NOT A CRIMINAL!!! > Your next claims are just for scarecrow rank 1 vs rank 10, again, totally ignoring my argument that knowledge and skills matter. "Tunder:ok, time to argue. Is a fact than high rank will beat low rank. (Your response some reply later) Tunder: unless the low rank is trained, which is unfair because the high rank got no train. And since the low rank was trained, I will conclude somehow that rank matter. " "Tunder:ok, time to argue. Is a fact than there is no clan made by low rank (some reply laters) Tunder: LOL I was refering to a clan that was made competitive without any high rank member. MoU does not count because in his times evoL was noob. Plaetorians does not count because either ancient is not competitive or now I clarify rank 8 as high rank. SM does not count because there were many high ranks. And everything else is just an inflation. " "Tunder:ok, time to argue. Is a fact that there is no low rank training another low rank > A rank 3 teachs his friends how to wall > hyabusarider carrying on the "Shadow Me" project, for teach low ranks http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=16392 Tunder: That is an inflation. Everything that contradicts me is an inflation. And dont worry now I consider rank 3 as high rank. Hyabusaider rank 7 is also a high rank. OR Tunder: I was talking about advance concepts like bug exploit, cost-efficiently and ect. If any lowrank know how to bug then he does not count because is an inflation.... "
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12.11.2014 - 07:39
Clovis please learn english before participating on things which are way above your head. Maybe you'll do a favour to AW.
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12.11.2014 - 07:48
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12.11.2014 - 10:13
People need to learn to quote already.seriously its almost fucking 2015..
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12.11.2014 - 13:14
Lovely avatar, when u gonna put preggo chick so we can be avatar buddies?
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12.11.2014 - 14:03
not my kinda fetish baby sorry.i think ill stick with britney thx
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12.11.2014 - 14:09
kk time to ignore forever and deleted from friendlist and my signature and my heart and unrepped
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12.11.2014 - 17:09
You both very sexy
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12.11.2014 - 17:11
Clovis, please just summarise your arguement and post it. I am sick & tired of hearing your useless random monotony of insults to Tunder. What is your arguement?
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12.11.2014 - 17:50
So you don't have any logical arguements? That's what I thought, now leave this post troll.
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12.11.2014 - 17:52
Sorry, no food for you adog.
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12.11.2014 - 17:53
> I am the troll. Clovis, there is a reason why we call you a troll, because when asked to explain, you cannot.
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12.11.2014 - 17:53
There is a difference between polite ask for explain and insult, and you did the second one. Keep trying please.
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12.11.2014 - 17:57
Sometimes I think you have issues
question right here
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12.11.2014 - 17:58
Conclusion: You have no arguement. Tunder was right, you are just a troll.
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13.11.2014 - 00:59
Omg not mod anymore :/ It's ok I will still love you pls reply xox
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