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Geplaatst door Wheelo, 24.05.2018 - 16:19
Over the past number of weeks there has been a lot of discussion on Guerrilla Warfare and it's power. All these posts have been trying to address the problem with Guerrilla Warfare logically, with a general consensus among the top tier players that it is imbalanced. Unfortunately there are still some apologists who are trying to excuse the imbalance through meaningless arguments. Now, we are going to look at things statistically. Cold, hard numbers.

Considering each strategy is unique in it's cost, attack, range, etc, we are going to break them down into Cost Per 1 Attack (CPA) and Cost Per 1 Defence (CPD)
This is done by dividing the attacking/defending power of the strategy's main attack/defence by the cost.
So for example, if I wanted to find the CPA of Blitzkrieg: 120 / 8 = $15
In the interest of clarity, the in-game currency used to purchase a unit will be referred to as "$".
Lucky Bastard has been given +1.5 attack due to it's potential tank and infantry attacking power.
Iron Fist has been given +1 attack and +1.5 defence to compensate for its HP.
Great Combinator has been excluded from this sample as it is the outlier. It would not be represented accurately using this method.



Cost Per Attack
*Main attack unit's cost / attack*

Blitzkrieg: $15
Desert Storm: $16.25
Hybrid Warfare: $14.44
Imperialist: $12.86
Iron Fist: $13.33
Lucky Bastard: $13.68
Master of Stealth: $15
Naval Commander: $15.45
Perfect Defence: $17.14
Relentless Attack: $11.25
Sky Menace: $16.25

Most cost efficient attack: Guerrilla Warfare: $10



Cost Per Defence
*Main defence unit's cost / defence*

Blitzkrieg: $12.5
Desert Storm: $11.1
Hybrid Warfare: $9
Imperialist: $5
Iron Fist: $8.7
Lucky Bastard: $10
Master of Stealth: $10
Naval Commander: $20 (Naval) 10$ (Land)
Perfect Defence: $7.14
Relentless Attack: $13.3
Sky Menace: $10

Most cost-efficient defence: Guerrilla Warfare: $5, Imperialist: $5

So, Guerrilla Warfare is the most cost efficient strategy to attack with AND to defend with. That's not enough?

Cost Per Range
*Cost of Main Attack, Main Defence and Secondary Defence / Average Range

Blitzkrieg: $9.58
Desert Storm: $11.5
Hybrid Warfare: $13.75
Imperialist: $9.33
Iron Fist: $24.4
Lucky Bastard: $15.33
Master of Stealth: $15.7
Naval Commander: $ 12.3(Naval) $15.7 (Land)
Perfect Defence: $13.33
Relentless Attack: $13.13
Sky Menace: $9.2
Guerrilla Warfare: $12 ($11 if you exclude infantry, as they are almost never used by GW)

Most cost-efficient range: Sky Menace, Imperialist, Blitzkrieg, Guerrilla Warfare.

It also ranks 4th in range efficiency out of 13 strategies in the game, including Blitzkrieg, who's WHOLE PURPOSE is range.
I hear one apologist in particular argue; "but my air transports cost 750".
The whole point of Air Transports is to move units faster from one city so they can defend another city. If your main attack unit is Invisible there's no NEED to move these defensive units so urgently. This depletes the value of the air transport drastically.

In summary:
•Most cost efficient attack
•Most cost efficient defence
•Top strategy for range
•Invisible Main Attack
•Gain your main defence unit every time you capture a country (e.g take Belarus with 4 marines, get 5 militia in return)

There really is no defending GW anymore. Open your eyes.

Remove the City Defence Bonus for GW Militia.
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30.05.2018 - 01:49
 Witch-Doctor (Mod)
Geschreven door clovis1122, 29.05.2018 at 23:44

Yo guys,

I don't think we'll be implementing strategy changes any soon. Feel free to keep discussing and adding ideas though, as they could be implemented in a future release.


Most of the community with the exception of the immortals are for gw changes
Laden...
Laden...
30.05.2018 - 15:13
 4nic
Geschreven door clovis1122, 29.05.2018 at 23:44

Yo guys,

I don't think we'll be implementing strategy changes any soon. Feel free to keep discussing and adding ideas though, as they could be implemented in a future release.

gw and lb need an immidiate nerf, it has been coming for a long time now
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~Napoleon


Laden...
Laden...
30.05.2018 - 18:47
Can i cry about gw in this thread? Or should we make new one?
Laden...
Laden...
30.05.2018 - 20:40
Some people just like 9 attack 90 cost 5 defence tanks
Laden...
Laden...
31.05.2018 - 05:16
Laden...
Laden...
31.05.2018 - 05:18
Laden...
Laden...
31.05.2018 - 05:21
Laden...
Laden...
31.05.2018 - 05:48
Some people went so salty while defending a "decent" strategy that might appear to be their mummy
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Laden...
Laden...
31.05.2018 - 08:10
Geschreven door SyrianDevil, 31.05.2018 at 05:48

Some people went so salty while defending a "decent" strategy that might appear to be their mummy

was just bored
Laden...
Laden...
01.06.2018 - 08:54
Geschreven door Witch-Doctor, 30.05.2018 at 01:49

Geschreven door clovis1122, 29.05.2018 at 23:44

Yo guys,

I don't think we'll be implementing strategy changes any soon. Feel free to keep discussing and adding ideas though, as they could be implemented in a future release.


Most of the community with the exception of the immortals are for gw changes

What community hahahahahahahahahahhahah, you mean Illyria and a few 3-4 people more?
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Laden...
Laden...
01.06.2018 - 08:58
Geschreven door Cold Case, 01.06.2018 at 08:54

Geschreven door Witch-Doctor, 30.05.2018 at 01:49

Geschreven door clovis1122, 29.05.2018 at 23:44

Yo guys,

I don't think we'll be implementing strategy changes any soon. Feel free to keep discussing and adding ideas though, as they could be implemented in a future release.


Most of the community with the exception of the immortals are for gw changes

What community hahahahahahahahahahhahah, you mean Illyria and a few 3-4 people more?

Shut the fuck up you gw fag that can only win with gw
Laden...
Laden...
01.06.2018 - 08:58
11111
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Laden...
01.06.2018 - 11:50
 4nic
Geschreven door Cold Case, 01.06.2018 at 08:54

Geschreven door Witch-Doctor, 30.05.2018 at 01:49

Geschreven door clovis1122, 29.05.2018 at 23:44

Yo guys,

I don't think we'll be implementing strategy changes any soon. Feel free to keep discussing and adding ideas though, as they could be implemented in a future release.


Most of the community with the exception of the immortals are for gw changes

What community hahahahahahahahahahhahah, you mean Illyria and a few 3-4 people more?

everyone besides cold case viva and sultan
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''Everywhere where i am absent, they commit nothing but follies''
~Napoleon


Laden...
Laden...
01.06.2018 - 12:34
If u don't think gw is at least a bit op u nub
Laden...
Laden...
01.06.2018 - 14:17
Everyone in empire says its not op , fuck Illyria

#cashing in votes
Laden...
Laden...
01.06.2018 - 14:19
Tbh tho for these kinda things theirs should be a oficial poll ran by the admins when nerfing or buffing a strat , one with a quorom established needed for changes to be done that way the comunity can have some kinda formal way of deciding these things without the need for these kinda threads to endlessly pop up.
Laden...
Laden...
01.06.2018 - 16:05
 4nic
Geschreven door sirivann, 01.06.2018 at 14:17

Everyone in empire says its not op , fuck Illyria

#cashing in votes

all of their opinion including yours dont matter
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''Everywhere where i am absent, they commit nothing but follies''
~Napoleon


Laden...
Laden...
01.06.2018 - 17:56
Come on guys, I'm sure we can do better than accusing each others of being a minority. Both sides in the strategy discussion are represented by talented, skillful players and are equally valuable to the game.

We've considered this not to be an appropriated time to make strategy changes into the game. Perhaps at some point we will, though.

Geschreven door sirivann, 01.06.2018 at 14:19

Tbh tho for these kinda things theirs should be a oficial poll ran by the admins when nerfing or buffing a strat , one with a quorom established needed for changes to be done that way the comunity can have some kinda formal way of deciding these things without the need for these kinda threads to endlessly pop up.


Some sort of survey for players with high rank or high elo sounds like a good idea. I agree that we've had enough of these threads, which is why I'm locking this one. Hopefully everybody said what they had to in this or the other GW threads.
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